Oscar is D-O-N-E

Personally I think as long as Oscar was serious about the task at hand (ie, not like the sperm fight) then he would take Marge, Williams, Clottey, Quintana, and Collazo. And Forrest.

In fact I would pick him to beat all of them.

I would only pick Floyd, Cotto and Mosley to beat Oscar.

Lest we not forget, De La Lovesongs gave floyd a good fight, well a close one at least.

Although I picked Oscar to stop Forbes in 5, it was more that Stevie's chin surprised me than oscar looked crap.

Oscar looked as good as he has done in recent years, he is not shot at all.

I was actually very surprised by his stamina and workrate.

The only noticeable decline in oscar is his legs, they are heavy now and he's no longer much of a mover. And by the looks of things his face marks up a lot more now.

But he still has the skill, handspeed, power, sharp combos etc and his jab looked very good, against a smaller, fast fighter with good defense.

And I would like to clarify, I am not an oscar fan by any stretch, I am just very surprised that people seem to think he looked shot etc.

Especially given he showed better stamina and workrate than he has in a while, and his jab was on point.

 

Open your eyes. Now is a great time for boxing. I'll live with the ODLH/PBF 2's of the world if it gives me all the other great fights I've seen lately.

 

Very true, there have been some great matchups in the last couple of years. :clap:

However, you have to also accept that there are a handful of guys looking only for money fights and getting them. Oscar isn't even a boxer anymore- he only fights Floyd (a 147lb-er and a small one at that according to most) and mediocre, warm up guys to prepare for his Floyd fights. He can stick that sort of shit where the sun doesn't shine IMHO.

And before anyone tries to accuse me of hate, I absolutely agree that Oscar is not alone. Floyd should be fighting Cotto next, not Oscar de la Makemoney. Hatton should be looking to Fight Witter, not Floyd again (which he has said on more than one occasion :nono:).

These sort of fights are wholly unnecessary to anyone bar the guys making their wedge. They are :shit:

 

True, but I don't fault them for it. If I had a chance to take an easy fight and make 4-5 times what I would fighting a more legit opponent I think I would have a hard time saying no.

 

DLH's decline has been glaringly apparent mo.

He exhibited friskiness and activity, yet it still betrayed his real form.

Shitty legs mean diminished movement, defense and reflexes, but that's just part of the problem.

Oscar never had excellent stamina, but when he was younger he could at least move and pop that jab consistently, and, still have enough left in the latter rounds (and against tough opponents) without "completely" gassing and falling apart.

He's no longer that guy.

Now, I think it's quite clear that if he exerts himself early-to-mid (and at the same time absorb some hard and compact shots) he's highly liable to gas and get hurt. We saw that against Floyd late in the first fight.

Forbes nowhere near resembled a KO threat, so he could afford to open up, suck air and be on the defensive for awhile to get some rest. If he shows the same vulnerablity against Mayweather, you bet your ass Floyd will lay some hurt on him and it will be considerable.

Oscar can still jab. But it's a labored and way more conscious effort now than before. And I don't think he's capable of popping that jab for very long and at the same time take punishment. It'll deplete his stamina.

His handspeed is still ok, but he's lost a lot of snap imo. He was far from sharp. Plus, I don't think he hits that hard anymore. I've this feeling in the rematch that once Floyd realizes Oscar can't hurt him, it's going to be key in facilitating the beatdown.

 

I have a friend who was at the fight, and he told me that Floyd Mayweather was laughing at Oscar the whole time and pointing out how "ridiculous" he looked.

Oscar really needs to face facts as do his fans.

 

So ridiculous that he won all 12 rounds, and is this the same ridiculous oscar that had a close fight with floyd, and only lost 7 rounds to 5? ::

If Oscar is so shot, then floyd's win over him is pretty shit really isn't it?

Surely he should have won all 12 rounds or stopped him?

 

Yeah, Forbes fights more like a mini-James Toney (sans the shoulder roll) who does the majority of his work on the inside. DLH's flurries (though they for the most part were blocked or slipped) did a good job of keeping Forbes defensive and prevented him from working on the inside (not to mention they scored with judges).

Floyd at this stage is more of a potshotter so he won't give DLH the opportunity to throw those flurries (unless he goes into the ropes). He's going to use his movement or clinch on the inside rather than standing in the pocket the way Forbes did.

DLH showed a good jab against Forbes, but once again Floyd will utilize movement as well as his pull counter to negate that.

IMO Were gonna see Floyd potshot and pull counter his way to another UD. DLH will have his spots flurrying when Floyd backs up into the ropes, but Floyd will control the tempo of the fight.

 

Floyd is gonna stop DLH when they fight

 

You are on crack if you pick Oscar over ANY of those guys at this point. The only one from that list who DLH beats right now is Callozo.

Margarita would beat the shit outta him. Williams would completely outwork him. Clottey would outlast him. Quintana would box the shit outta him!

And Forrest? DLH wouldnt beat Forrest in his PRIME, nevermind now. Theres a reason why DLH and Forrest never fought, and I'll give you a hint... its not because Forrest didnt want it.

 

Well then X - you gotta admit, that doesn't make Floyd's close decision win over Oscar look very good then does it?

If Floyd is #1 P4P, surely he should have done better than win a cautious, 7 to 5 decision over this SHOT Oscar?

 

First off, Floyd beat Oscar 8-4 not 7-5. Secondly, I'll be the first to admit it was hardly one of Floyd's best performances. He shoulda beaten Oscar more clearly, and he probably will in the rematch. I never said Oscar was "shot", but he's way over the hill, and can no longer beat a top fighter.

 

Well my 7 to 5 score is only giving Oscar one round that you gave Floyd.

I am not an oscar or floyd fan, I don't like either of them, but oscar did well in that fight, it was fairly even until late on.

The reason it wasn't one of Floyd's best performances was because he was in with the biggest and best opponent of his career.

You're underrating oscar. Floyd didn't underperform, it was simply oscar who made it close.

Oscar gets a lot of hate, and he is annoying, but the guy can fight.

And also - he is not as shot as many of you are making out. He's still sharp, he still has a good jab, good timing, good handspeed and combos.

His legs and movement are VERY diminished, and funnily enough his power seems to have diminished too, his punches are not as powerful and explosive as they were. Which is odd, because that's usually one of the last things to go.

 

Unless your friend was in Grand Rapids for the Golden Gloves tournament, I'm tempted to say that he's full of shit.

 

The most under-rated part of DLH's performance in that fight was his defense.

I'm not sure he's going to duplicate that in a rematch, though.

 

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Brother Mex...

Floyd is an UNDERSIZED Welter who BEAT DeLa @ 154...That HAS to B Taken N 2 consideration...

& REED Isn't soooo Sure DeLa Won 5 Rounds...

REED

 

he wasnt there

maybe Zab was the one doing the talking as he was indeed there but Money May was nowhere to be found

 

Jake:bears:

 

Eaner:bears:

 

I'll have to rewatch the fight, but I'm pretty sure I had Floyd winning 8 clear rounds. But 7-5 isnt lunacy, at least you didnt have it a draw as some fools did. Or worst of all, some simps had Oscar winning, which is comical!

And once again, I never said Oscar was "shot". I said he's over the hill. If he was shot, he'd probably have lost, or badly struggled with Forbes. But still, its only Stevie Forbes. Forbes is a C fighter, and natural 135-140 pounder. I wouldnt pick Oscar over any top fighter at this point. The only good welters I'd pick him to beat would be Collazo, Judah, and probably Cintron as well, but none of those guys are top fighters.

Floyd will beat him again. Cotto rapes him. Margarita batters him. Mosley will ALWAYS beat him. Williams & Quintana would decsion him convincingly. Forrest would beat the crap outta him. Clottey would outwork him. Hell I'd pick Spinks to beat Oscar at this point. Lets not forget, the Mayweather fight was over a year old. DLH is only a year OLDER now, not a year better. I'd say he's diminished now from the DLH that beat Mayorga.

The last version of DLH who was capable of beating an elite fighter was the version that beat Vargas.

 

DLH should cash in and just take the Floyd fight as opposed to a Cotto fight. Simply because Floyd has no ability to hurt him anyway so DLH can just lose the decision and bank a nice cheque without having a mark on his face.

 

I dont think DLH-Cotto will ever happen, esp not after Floyd beats Oscar again. Oscar talks of fighting Cotto, but in the back of his mind I think he knows that Cotto would fuck him up.

I have a hunch that Oscar's last fight will be a rematch with Tito.

 

That wouldn't surprise me, but even with the names involved it would be a somewhat hard sell if both guys are coming off one-sided losses.

 

I think his last fight comes against JCC Jr.

 

REED Doesn't Believe ANY of this "Last Fight" BULLSHIT...

DeLa will Exhaust Every "Big" Fight Out there, B 4 he Retires(Floyd, JCC Jr, Tito,etc)...No Doubt, He'll B Fighting Sometime Around Cinco de Mayo of Next Year...



REED

 

:: :laughing:

 

I think he'll retire, but probably not this year (maybe after next Cinco de Mayo)...but that sometime after that he'll come back to fight Chavez Jr.

 

That would be a disgrace but now that i think of it i could see the scenario in which it happens.

JCC Jr. steps up the competition a bit and doesn't look very promising.

They have a cash-out fight against Oscar and play the "revenge for the father angle". :doh: