Ottke-Michalczewski is on!

Really? Thats like saying that putting the 1st Cooper fight on Alis record in undermines Ali, cos Ali {Clay} at the time got KTFO by Cooper and needed Dundee to help him by tearing his glove.

Fact is he won, and when you consider that Reid gave Calzaghe much the same problems then thats that for me.

To say Ottke is "the worst" is plain pathetic.

 

I just want to see the winner fight Roy..

forget who ducked who 10 years ago.. who did or didn't go to America, who did or didn't go to Germany..

all water under the bridge

the time is NOW, Okiedokie and MichlSHITski are fighting.. let the winner fight Roy!

Roy looked suprisingly good vs Tito and if these guys look decent, we might have a FIGHT!!!

 

Simple. He fought Toney at 168. Then Toney disappeared for much of the remainder of Jones career. Until Toney resurfaced at 190 for the Adolpho Washington and Jirov fights, he wasn't on the radar. But DM was. I think it speaks volumes of Jones that when Toney resurfaced and won a title at 190 that Jones still had nothing to do with him, despite Toneys overtures. When you throw in the fact that Toney was {1} Totally drained that night they fought at 168 and {2} More than capable of doing much the same to Ruiz as Jones did and {3} was always an American based fighter and {4} had previous history with Jones, then Jones arguments about not fighting Toney have the same pussified ring about them that they did about fighting DM. Jones refusal to RE Toney puts his refusal to make the DM fight in proper perspective.

Mexican fighters have always fought in America. Its a border thing. So with them out of the way.........it is worth bearing in mind that as the Linear Champion at 175 DM already had something the aforementioned fighters went to America to get- namely genuine world title credentials.

Winky Wright fought abroad. Ali/Clay fought abroad. Gus Lesnevich fought abroad. Sugar Ray Robinson went on European tour. Jack Johnson fought abroad. {:laughing: } Noah Brusso aka Tommy Burns fought abroad. That is some pretty heavy company Reed. Its not good enough for Roy to act like a spoiled child and say "Ooohhh Mozley won't do it...neeeitttthhhher will I". If he wanted to be like SRR, Ali, then he could have gone to Germany. Of course, the flip is true: DM could have been like Schmelling and gone to the USA. But we always assume Roy to be the dominant man, so shouldn't he set the example...and bear in mind that when Schmelling came to the USA, an American had the title.....with DM, that is not quite the case.

See above. Joe Calzaghe, Witter could you have quoted worse examples? For a start, Joe is doing the give-'n-take thing which I will allude to below: he already had Lacy come to Europe, and with good reason. Joe was the man, and if Jeff wanted it......well, figure it out. Now, Joe wants to cap his resume, and to do it, he is going to have to travel. What is Hopkins current job description? Linear Heavyweight Champion. Sound familiar? Roy could have done the same with DM, and won, handily, but.....read on sucker. Read on.....

Bullshit. DM was the Linear champ. But you African boys just keep insisting on verbally elongating your weiners by making big noises about "terms" and "bidness".If you knew a fucking thing about business, you would know that it is give and take. Or, in your own speak, "Puff Puff Give, Puff Puff Give". Like Frank Costello says, " thats what the ******* don't realise. If I got one thing against the Black Chappies, its this...no one gives it to you. You have take to it"......and, Reed, "taking it" involves a lot more than stealing. Chances...chances...they get taken. A chance can be an opportunity, or it can be a risk. Truth be told.....Roy took neither when it came to DM. And, with Hopkins and Calzaghe, he is repeating the same mistake. He's off fighting Tito. He's out of the picture.

Irish

 

Jesus Christ Reed, are you lost for words. 10 mins you have been in here "REEDING"...come on.......I'll have to go to the Obamanation thread to get a better fight!!

 

Not Really Sure HOW U Can Equate Toney & MichalSHITski...1st Off, WHO Do YOU Think History will Treat More Favorably???:: ...No Need to Answer that, Cause we BOTH Know Rocchigiani's BITCH Won't B Mentioned N the Same Breath as Toney...

As for your "Weight Drained" NONSENSE about Toney-Roy, Toney has had "Issues" w/his Weight his ENTIRE CAREER...Even @ Middleweight, Toney Spoke of "Weight Issues"...That's Been his Mantra THROUGHOUT & Thus DOESN'T Hold Water as an Explanation for WHY he Lost to Roy:nono: ...

REED Doesn't Recall Toney Beating the Drum for a RE w/Roy, after Beating Jirov...N Fact, Toney Stepped N on Roy's Behalf when the Negotiations for Roy-Holyfield BROKE DOWN...Instead we Got Toney-Holyfield...But even DURING that Build-Up, Toney NEVER Mentioned Roy Jones 1nce...

The "Linear" Argument is a BULLSHIT CRUTCH that U'll HAPPILY Lean your Ass On...But it FAILS to Help your Argument...Unless MichalSHITski Beat Michael Spinks or Archie Moore, HOWintheFUCK is he the "Linear" Anything???...NEITHER of those Men Lost their Lightheavy Titles N the Ring thus BREAKING ANY FLIMSY Ass "Line" U're Attributing to MichalSHITski...Take that Shit BACK to the Cheap Seats where it Belongs...

Winky Wright Fought Abroad PRIOR to Being an A-List Fighter (REEDing Comprehension will Do WONDERS for U)...Ditto for Bernard...Ali Fought Abroad Cause he was Public Enemy # 1 N America & it was a Different Time Altogether...Ditto for Ray Robinson...

CONTEMPORARY, A-List American Fighters DO NOT Fight Overseas...FACT!!...

U JUST Said Roy was the "Dominant Man" & Should've "Set the Example" by Fighting Overseas...THEN, N the Next Paragraph U Say the Calzaghe "was the Man" & RIGHTLY Made Lacy "Come Get It"....:: That Being the Case, According to YOUR OWN Words, HOW Can U EXCUSE MichalSHITski for NOT Coming to AMERICA to Face the "Dominant Man"???...

Can't have it Both Ways, Adolph:nono: ...

The Rest of your Post is Mere Gibberish from a FRUSTRATED, Irish, RACIST Piece of Shit who Caught his Significant Other Getting EVERY ORIFICE of her Body FILLED by Some "African Boys" & LOVING Every Minute of that Shit...

Don't B MAD Cause REED's BIGGER...

REED

 

Ha ha ha...drawn out into the open and forced to fight down to a base level. I love it.


PS.......I agree with you on the whole Linear thing. Bernard Hopkins isn't the linear champ either. You do agree though that Roys refusal to rematch a re-emerging James Toney was reminiscent of Roys refusal to fight DM? Thanks.


And to think it took you so long to come up with such a piece of shit response.

The only Risk Roy ever took was nailing your daughter without a jimmy cap.

Now Payton is in attendance so lets keep it clean.

 

Irrelevant. I refer to Jones refusal to make fights. The refusal to rematch a re-emerging and thoroughly revitalised James Toney was shockingly reminiscent of Roys refusal to fight DM. As it happens, Toney will always get more kudos than DM, American historians being what they are and with the [baseball steroids scandal eclipsing those of boxing.

Of course it doesn't. Roy did his thing and Roy was right. Its not Roys job to babysit Toney. But once Toney re-emerged as a competent fighter at 190 and at Heavyweight, given that Roy was testing those waters, surely the time for a rematch was on? James was always sore over how he stunk the joint out at 168. This is not a debate about how James lost to Roy, this is a debate about how Roy wouldn't touch him once he reformed, and how that is reminiscent of the DM issue. Don't muddy the waters son.

Toney has always bitched about Jones was afraid of him and how he would destroy Jones now that he was "back". Don't deny it.

Well, Lennox Lewis never beat Marciano, nor did Shannon Briggs, so......But you are quite happy to refer to Hopkins as Linear when it suits you..even though he never beat DM. So none of your double standards.

What the fuck is your fascination with "A List".??? Since when did Winky Wright be a C List fighter? Who makes these lists? STFU. Clay fought Cooper in England in 1963 BEFORE HE EVEN FOUGHT LISTON ya dumb shit. So Clay was quite happy to travel to England. Oh but I forgot...he wasn't A list when he did that.:laughing: :laughing: . I guess he was still Public Enemy #1 in 1975 when he went to Zaire. I guess he had lost A list status when he went to Manilla? Or Jurgen Blin in Switzerland in '71, or Foster in Japan in '71?? Owned on the subject of your own pet fighter. Fool. As for Ray Robinson, he went on TOUR. He was HUGELY POPULAR in America. Its not like anyone ran Ray out of town.

Oh thats your caveat, is it??? How many "Contemporary A-List American Fighters" actually exist?:laughing:

Roy was perceived as such. I also said Joe Calzaghe understands the nature of the business and how it can't be all take-take. You have to give. As spurious {or otherwise} Hopkins claim to being Linear Champ is, Joe is SMART enought to understand that THE RIGHT THING is to go to America. He is making a decision Roy never quite had the intelligence to make. GIVE AND TAKE. GIVE AND TAKE. or "puff puff give" to use your language.

Wasn't trying to son.

 

Game, set, match.

 

Cheers.:clap:

 

::

 

Not Really Sure WHY U Require TWO Posts to Answer ONE of REED's, but Whatever Floats your Boat, OrthoDUNCE:: ...

YOU Initiated the "Base Level" BULLSHIT & REED Returned the Volley...IMPRESSIVELY, REED Might Add...

As for Boxing...

Roy Jones has a BETTER Resume & MORE Accomplishments than MichalSHITski...So Why oh WHY R U on this Thread BITCHING about Roy's "Refusal to Make Fights"???:dunno: ...APPARENTLY, he's Done a BETTER Job of that than MichalSHITski has, Right???...

Toney Talked of a RE w/Roy UNTIL he Beat Jirov...Toney was Looking for ANY Way BACK into the Boxing Limelight...He Saw Roy as that Opportunity...But 1nce he Garnered a TITLE, Toney RARELY if EVER Mentioned Fighting Roy Again...Not Saying he DIDN'T Want to or WOULDN'T, but he Didn't TALK about it Publically Anymore...

REED has NEVER Bought Into the Linear Argument & U've NEVER Heard REED Reference Bernard as the "Linear Lightheavy Champ"...NEVER:nono: ....

Back when Winky Fought Abroad, he DIDN'T have Any Other Options...He was Virtually UNKNOWN N America...Dan Birmingham has Said MANY Times that Winky Got ALOT MORE Publicity Overseas than he Did N America, Until he Fought Sugar Shane...Roy Jones was on the RADAR Since the '88 Olympics...Apples & Oranges...

Ali & Robinson Traveled Abroad N a DIFFERENT Time...Back when American Fighters RELISHED the Opportunity to Ply their Craft Elsewhere...These Days, that just DOESN'T Happen...

If REED is Not Mistaken, Sugar Ray Leonard Fought 1nce Out of America & that was N Canada...Hearns DIDN'T Fight Overseas UNTIL he was on a Prince Naseem Undercard SEVERAL Years PAST his Prime (& @ Crusierweight, No Less)...Michael Spinks???....Mike Tyson ONLY Fought Overseas BECAUSE HE COULDN'T Get American Casino's to Fund his FARCES(& he was Also SEVERAL YEARS PAST his Prime)...

So the Precedent was SET by A-List American Fighters & Cats like DeLa, Floyd, Sugar Shane, Vargas & Yes, Roy Jones Followed Suit...How Many Times has Holyfield Fought Overseas???...If U CAN'T See & ACKNOWLEDGE the PATTERN Here, that's YOUR Problem...It's THERE...

Bottom Line, REED SHITTED on your Calzaghe Example & EXPOSED the HYPOCRISY of your Ways...Better Yet, Call it HIP-HOPrisy, Since REED Knows you're a Fan...


REED::

 

Joe Calzaghe is a perfect example, for me, of the sort of man Roy Jones ISN'T. Sometimes you have to man up and do the hard thing. Roy couldn't do that. Sorry. Sometimes, no matter how big a guy is, or how big his ego is, or how advanced his chicken-fucking-dog-fighting ways are, he has to do something he doesn't like. Roy didn't do it, and there it is. Plain as the squashed nose on your face.

HIP-HOPrisy? More like LEP-ROS-Y.

 

this is a funny thread, REED is basically Bitch slapping orthodunce with knowledge..

to even compare MichlSHITski and Roy is absurd!

now Toney was too WEIGHT DRAINED?:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

I don't know if you guys remember the build up to that fight but Roy was looked at as a kid and Toney was the unbeatable.. and Roy DOMINATED him.. no weight issues about it!

The simple fact that Roy went up to HW and fought Ruiz and Dominated him puts him in a whole different league from mcshit and crew..

Roy Dominated Hopkins, Toney.. those two alone put him WAYYYY above these Euro trash guys

 

Reed has already been straigtened out on a few points, but thats okay. Shit has always stuck together. LOK and Reed......Team Fightbeat:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

PS....that which you assert in your post, I have denied very little of it.

You African boys talking about "Bidness". Sugar Ray Robinson knew what business was and what it involved.

I guess it was too much to expect a Floridian chicken farmer to know likewise.

 

"I'm a big Roy Jones fan and to be honest, he's the only guy in the world that I really don't want to fight. He seems to be the perfect fighter and you just can't hit the guy. Look at what Jones did to Richard Hall who then fights Dariuz Michaelczweski and bashes him up for 11 rounds. I like to watch Jones fight and see his moves. He carries an aura that he takes into the ring with him. It's 100 percent confidence and he knows he's going to win. You can tell that he doesn't take his talent for granted though because he obviously trains very hard and keeps in tremendous shape."

- Joe Calzaghe, June 28th, 2003.

SUCKER....

 

Perhaps U Should Offer OrthoDUNCE a Drink to Wash Down that FOOT Inserted N his Mouth...


REED :laughing:

 

5 years ago.

Prime Calzaghe loses to Prime Jones.

This isn't about who is better.

If Jones, as alluded to by your "source" was that good, why didn't he just go and fight DM??

I mean, if Calzaghe can come to the US to fight the Linear Champion of 175, why couldn't Roy go to Germany and do likewise. I mean its a simple question.

PS...2003...was.......5 years ago. Roy isn't even fighting Hopkins now. He's fighting Adamu and Tito.

 

How so? Fuckface...damn...are all you Yanks that fucking stupid? The issue is why is a man like Calzaghe prepared to go to the USA to fight the Linear Lightheavyweight Champ when Roy wouldn't go to Germany to do likewise......and considering Roys obvious/alleged/generally accepted superior skills, then.....the question is all the more pertinent.

 

So, we admit that prime for prime, Jones beats Calzaghe. Actually, prime for prime, Calzaghe wants no parts of that young man.

And since he was so good, why would the onus be on Jones to travel anywhere?? Sh*t, Jones was a three-division champ with names like Hops and JT under his belt. Why didn't old Dariusz come to the States to make HIS mark?

But that's neither here nor there, just wanted to copy and paste that lil tidbit to quell all the Joe Calzaghe nuthugging that's taken place since he beat the highly overrated Jeff Lacy.

 

Bernard Hopkins has a much greater legacy than Joe Calzaghe. How do you compare Dariusz's to Jones'?

 

When did I deny any of this.

For the record, I can't remember if it was Enzo C or Joe that said it, but they {between them} decided that Jones would have to slip and Joe would have to improve, for Joe to stand a chance. I think that was around 2000.

But here is my question,.......what does this have to do with anything??

Again...why does Joe Calzaghe have what it takes to come to America to fight the Linear Champ and Jones, for all his skills, NOT go to Germany to fight an inferior version of the Linear champ.

Simple question.......

And some dumb answer like "Contemporary A-List Americans Do Not Travel" is not an answer.

 

Not at 175 he doesn't. DM did waaaay more at 175 than Hopkins did. Hopkins has 2 fights at 175 {?}, and 1 of them is against a former C-List {by Reeds definitions:: } Light Middlweight. Again, considering Hopkins lack of achievements at 175, and DM's re- a guy that lost to Fernando Vargas ans had extremely close fights against 147/154 level fighters.Relatively, comparatively, DM better achievements at 175, why should Joe have to travel and Roy not???

 

And I am not sure that Hopkins has a "much greater legacy" than Joe Calzaghe.:nono:

 

Linear champion my a**. And if you think that's why Calzaghe's coming to America then you're even more biased than I thought. He's coming because he f*cking HAS to at some point in his career...and because Hopkins is 403 years old. Has nothing to do with linear anything - something Michalchewski never truly had - gimme a break.

But I'll give Joe C. some credit. He's fighting a guy who arguably hasn't lost a fight since he fought you know who and has a much greater legacy than him. Michalchewski wouldn't dream of such a thing. He never had the BOZACK to do anything like that, which is why his career will always be a few thousand notches below Roy's.

 

So let me get this straight...Joe Calzaghe - who's never fought at LHW - has a better resume at 175 than Bernard Hopkins??

Reading...fundamental...you probably hear that a lot.

 

Calzaghe is Coming to America for the SAME Reasons Hatton, Lennox, the Klitschko's, Hamed, Tszyu, Quartey, Trinidad, Mayorga, Morales, Barrera, the Marquez's & a SHITLOAD of Others have...

Like it or Not, AMERICA is the Boxing CAPITAL of the WORLD...It's the Same Principle as Performers Wanting to HEADLINE @ MSG or Stage Actors Wanting to Work on BROADWAY...

MichalSHITski REFUSED to Do So (After SAYING he WOULD, Prior to Jones-Hill) & his Legacy will RIGHTLY SUFFER for it...He was N NO Position to DEMAND that Jones Come to him, so Roy Didn't...


REED

 

DM was linear Champ...as much as Bernard is.

Again, why does Joe Calzaghe have to cross the Atlantic to fight an American Linear champ, when Roy Jones would not do the same against a German Linear champ??


Again, Hopkins legacy is NOT "much" Greater than Joes.

 

What does linear have to do with anything? Please point out where Joe C. said he's coming to America because of that? When? Get real.

 

I mean, you don't have to answer the question if you don't want to.

Joe could easily sit at home and not fight Hopkins. It wouldn't dent his legacy a bit. In fact, losing to Hopkins damages his rep a lot more than beating him.

Joe is taking a huge risk, and Roy wouldn't even take a small one.

 

Well, you hardly thought Roy was after DM's WBO belt do you??

You think fighting a former middlweight with 2 wins at 175 after 2 shocking losses to a bum like Taylor is Calzaghes path to greatness.