Ottke-Michalczewski is on!

Yes. Joe C. can retire peacefully, walk into the Hall of Fame five years from now...but he knows, as well as you should, that his legacy may not look too pretty if Kessler goes on to have the same career that, oh, Jeff Lacy did? Wow...how's Calzaghe's resume gonna look then?

I give credit where credit is due. Joe C. is a HOF'er - his accomplishments at 168 are quite impressive. But he's behind Bernard, resume wise, and he doesn't even sniff the Jones stratosphere. Sh*t, he BETTER bring his azz over here.

 

fixed.

What does DM"s WBOgus belt have to do with anything? Dude, how the f*ck was he the linear champ? Second, who cares? Who in their right mind thinks Michalchewski can hold a candle to Roy? I'm sure he's gonna come out pretty soon and admit he never wanted to fight him in his prime anyway just like Benn did, just like Eubank did, just like Calzaghe did and a whole bunch of other cats from the other side of the pond.

 

See....Resumes. You know what Hopkins resume is at 175?

Its 2-1.

And one of the wins was over Winky Wright. He doesn't even have a KO at 175. And he LOST his last two fights at 160.
Yep.

Joe really needs "this".

 

This your pathetic argument as to why Joe C. has a better resume at 175 than Bernard Hopkins?? :laughing:

 

Oh so, ......DM had nothing.

I see.

His WBO and Linear titles now have evaporated, and the true reason for Jones not wasting his time with DM is revealed.

Nice one.

WHO THE FUCK said ANYTHINg about "Holding A Candle" to this guy, that guy...

If it was such an easy fight, why didn't he take it??

Ostensibly...Hopkins is a harder, lower reward, higher risk fight for Joe than DM was for Jones, it involves Joe moving up a weight, going abroad and fighting a guy who is at least established at the weight.

Yet Jones still couldn't take the DM fight.

 

Actually, resume comparison is your forte.

Again, having established, per you, that Roy is so much better, why didn't Roy travel and take the fight in Germany???

 

You said it, I didn't.

What linear title?

So you aren't disputing that? GOOD!

I coulda sworn that's what he got criticized for...

Good for Joe C - even if it's against a 43yrd old who showed serious signs of slippage against a lifetime junior middle fighting 10-15lbs. north of his prime and slipping himself as well. ::

Methinks you should go ask Dariusz why he couldn't do what Joe C did. Why didn't he take the risk? Since HE was so confident that Jones was nothing, since he couldn't do an interview without mentioning Roy's name...why didn't he come to the US?

 

You dismissed his linear credentials and the WBO title.

The same one Hopkins had.

I try not to dispute or argue suppositions.

Really?

So if Joe wins his achievement is already prospectively diminished. Its sort of sentiment I could expect from Max Kellerman or one of his Zionist buddies.

Irrelevant. The question is why didn't Roy make the move seeing as it is such an easy fight.

 

So...what you're saying is...what??? :: :: ::

How did Dariusz attain his linear belt? Humor me.

And then please explain to me why the onus is on Roy not Michalchewski.

Thank you and have a blessed day.

 

He beat Virgill Hill.

Now....how did Hopkins get his??:dunno:

I never said the onus was on Roy to do anything.

I asked why the onus should be on Joe when Roy wouldn't even man up and go to Germany to fight a guy he could clean the floor with.

Its simple stuff.

 

He beat Virgill Hill.

Now....how did Hopkins get his??:dunno:

I never said the onus was on Roy to do anything.

I asked why the onus should be on Joe when Roy wouldn't even man up and go to Germany to fight a guy he could clean the floor with.

Its simple stuff.

Ironically, after JC Gonzo beat DM, and then lost to Zsolt Erdei, it was Erdei who became the Linear Champ. Just how the fuck the Yank media bestowed that title on Hopkins is beyond me.

 

Hopkins has never lost at Light Heavyweight.

 

wasn't his first fight at 175...?

 

177 not 175, and that is not Light Heavyweight.

 

Roy didn't have to go there.. people come HERE to prove themselves baby!! USA is the capital of the world

 

Although I agree that a prime RJJ would beat a Prime Calzaghe, I do actually think that Joe would have given him a very tough night's work. The main difference would have been IMO that Joe would have finally faced a fighter with better hand speed than he himself has, and I think he would have struggled badly to try and compensate this deficiency elsewhere.

Also, I don't think Joe's prime was 2003. I don't actually think he's too far removed from his prime- it may even be now. Some of his earlier work was not that impressive, it's only recently that he's begun to show the kind of quality and adaptability (coming from ring experience) that mark him out as an elite, HOF fighter.

I can't imagine Calzaghe making those statements any time circa 2006, even if Jones was still in his prime. And then can be no doubt whatsoever that THIS Calzaghe would wreck THIS Roy Jones Jr.

And despite your obvious dislike of all of the 'nut-hugging' of Calzaghe since he beat Lacy, I can't think of any fighter between 160-175 that I'd back against him right now. Pavlik is tailor made for Joe, just as Lacy was (though Pavlik is much, much better than Jeff), ditto Abraham, he has cleaned out 168 pretty comprehensively and the only real unknown now is how he adapts to 175. If he is able to do so and beats Hopkins as I would expect (a million years old or no), then I'd back him without hesitation to also beat Woods, Erdei and Dawson.

Even most haters would AT LEAST have Joe top 5 P4P right now (I'd have him just behind Pac at number 3).

You can, therefore, understand why he has his 'nut huggers', can you not?

MTF

 

MTF,

I'm not so Sure that this Joe C beats THIS Roy.. ROy is a BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAD man

 

Fixed brother LOK ::

 

:dunno:

 

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I already said that Prime v Prime, Jones has too much for Joe.

But Joe is almost prime NOW- Roy's was a long time ago, possibly even when he was schooling cat's at 168.

If they fought tomorrow, Joe would AT LEAST win a very wide UD. There is no doubt in my mind of this. The fact that he is British (albeit half welsh and half Italian :dunno:) is irrelevant

 

Now wait a minute... I didn't say anything crazy... I'm just saying what I saw...

Did Jones not "call his shot" and knock Griffin out when he said he would???

Did Jones (in a more serious mode as opposed to the first fight with all the playing around and stuff) not knock that man sensless in less than one round the same way someone would drill his little brother if he by accident let him score on him in a pick up basketball game???

Well???

 

I'll take my bow and my Oscar... :tease:

:warning:

 

"Plus he can see through walls" :: :: :: Brilliant.

 

you're better than this 6th grader argument

 

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Actually it's just a fact. Light heavyweight is up to 175 not 177. Call it nit picking if you want but it's also a fact.

 

Maybe you aren't better than this 'argument', after all.

 

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Guess not. Let me know when they have a Light Heavyweight title fight at 177.

 

I seriously can't believe some of the desperate antics here of saying Hopkins lost at LH from his first pro fight to a nobody, and that has any meaning or bearing on ANY possible discussion :doh: Very I and Iesk ::

 

Let me know when Bernard's first fight was a title fight.

 

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Title fight or not Light Heavyeight does not include 177. Like I said you can call it nit picking if you want I really don't care. 177 is not a light heavyweight though and that's a fact.