OVERRATED "Robberies"

Whitaker/Ramirez - Ramirez was moving forward, threw a lot of punches, and even landed his jab consistently. This was in no way the domination that so many claim it was.

 

Me too, the KD clinched it.

Hatton DID win that fight, he just didn't look great in the process, and Collazo did better than expected. Hatton is still legitimately undefeated.

People tend to rag on hatton WAY too much for this, many many people lost or got gifts in their prime, even the gerat Roberto Duran, even Ali had a few gifts along the way. Yet, I don't even think that was a gift, hatton won unimpressively.

I am not sure why he gets so much shit for that fight, especially seeing as it was at 147 on short notice.

 

I don't think Collazo-Hatton was a gift or robbery either. Very close fight, I had Collazo ahead 114-113.

 

I see it the same way... had it 6-6 in rounds, with the KD being the difference. And no, round 12 was nowhere CLOSE to 10-8.

All that fight proved (along with Collazo's fight with Mosley) is that Hatton doesn't belong at 147 because he really relies on having the size and strength advantage. I think he'll be stronger than Floyd no matter where they fight, but Floyd is probably just that much better anyway.

 

Yep, Hatton is a physical fighter. I don't think he relies on a size advantage so much, as just a strength advantage. He is stronger than any opponent he has ever faced at 140, real strong little fucker.

Not at 147, I agree with you.

One thing though - he did move on short notice like I said, if he has time to prepare for the weight, he MAY be more successful there.

The difference with floyd is of course he is all speed and skills, he doesn't need a size ot strength advantage, that's why he can be successful at the higher weights.

 

I had it the same, and feel the same. Not a huge robbery, other than it's tough to give Ricky any more than 6 rounds, whereas not so much of a stretch to have Colazo winning 7-8 rounds.

 

Point taken on the strength.

I don't know how successful he could be at 147 with the current talent, preparation or not. A lot of these welters beat Ricky, IMO. The Floyd fight should be another one and done for him (assuming he loses).

 

I'd just like to point out that Ricky didn't have to win more than six rounds to win that fight.

 

collazo-hatton could've gone either way. i had collazo winning 7 rounds which means he won by a point. some of the rounds were close, so i wasn't shocked by the final verdict.

 

Henceforth he Should B Known as the "OrthoDUNCE Crusader"...


REED::

 

I guess thats the difference between Kellerman and Hopkins. Hopkins just costs a bit more, but once he is paid, he will talk shit with the best of them. For a guy who spent his entire career talking about traps and being sold short, and how he needed 10 lawyers etc etc, he sure looked the other way when it came to Sturm being shafted. But this, they will tell you, is "bidness". Hopkins took the Queens Shilling, and then had the temerity to bitch about conspiracies, HBO and Lou DiBella in the wake of the Taylor fights.

 

you can call me a coon, for all the difference it would make.

 

I was just pointing out, that DLH pulled the fight out by "winning" the 12th round unanimously. Of course it was a flat-out robbery, but the judges put the icing on the cake with their (11th and) 12th round scoring. All DLH managed to do in these rounds was not getting KTFO.

 

Yeah but avoid Germany!!!!

 

no, i realize that. my point was that the best argument you can make for Ricky is winning 6 rounds. i was surprised it wasn't a split decision, and even more so that 2 of the 3 judges had Hatton winning 7 rounds.

 

agREED. I read it earlier, though, as you offering it as if people didn't believe it was a robbery.

 

You could say it had the same momentum as Sturm-DLH, in other words, Collazo got shafted because he wasn't connected. In other words, Kid, This Ain't Ya Night. But if that is what happened, it was a damn slimmer shaft than the one the slid up Sturm.

 

The problem with giving the fight to Sturm, for me, also involves his total unknown nature. What happened to Sturm is proof positive that it behoves all fighters to develop fan bases in as many locations as possible. When Bruno Girard got shafted against Byron Mitchell, some journalistic opinion suggested that it was hard to feel sorry for a guy that didn't deserve a title shot in the first place. The natural corrollary of that is that its hard to feel sorry for a guy that fights and loses to undeserving contenders.:nono: But Girard was a total unknown, like Sturm, a Euro boxer with tee-tee in the line of KO's. Easy to give him nothing.:doh:

 

the difference, though between Mitchell-Girard I and DLH-Sturm is that Girard was the challenger, whereas Oscar was fighting for Sturm's hardware. So you can't say that Sturm didn't deserve the Oscar fight; he was the titlist, and Oscar literally paid his way to get the title shot (having to pay Ikeke step aside money AND sign him to a lucrative promotional contract).

Your comparison of DLH-Sturm and Hatton-Collazo was more accurate - especially since you've finally figured out who had the title going into the Hatton-Collazo bout ::

 

Et Tu, Jakus??

Splitting hairs, but the point I really want to refer to is what happens to you when you are an unknown. Its that bit easier to shaft you. The point I was making about Girard was that the journo who said Girard didn't deserve a title shot was only able to say that cos Girard was a light punching Euro, totally unknown in the USA.

PS.....you hit the point that caused me to err on the WBA belt thing. For Collazo, Hatton was the attraction, not the WBA belt. For Sturm, ditto. Sturm didn't say, as the scores were announced "darn, there goes my WBO trinket". He said "I beat Oscar and they robbed me" The WBO strap meant shit, it was the payday and the NAME that mattered to Sturm, the name of the guy he was fighting. Before too long, its easy to assume that the name fighter also had the belt.:doh:

 

Do you accept the sig bet if this fight goes down?

 

I have nominally accepted sig bets on Pavlik Taylor and Hatton Floyd....with Reed. I wanted to sig bet Floyd but Reed threw a Tuesday morning Cheese Queue shit-fit so I relented.:laughing:

What I told Reed to do was to come back to me with parameters.......which are mine to choose or accept.

He wanted 30 days on Floyd-Ricky, I flat turned that down, but we have been agreed on a 1 week bet on pavlik-taylor for some time now.

The ball is in Reeds court.:dunno:

 

I'll take Ricky to beat Floyd if the fight goes down. 2 week sig bet. You don't have to post everyday but you can't take a hiatus either.

Details can be confirmed closer to the date of the fight. You in OC?

 

HELL YES...

Ricky Hatton CANNOT & WILL NOT Beat Floyd...& REED'll GLADLY Wager his Sig Space to PROVE how Much he BELIEVES that..


REED:bears:

 

U're a Straight Up BITCH,Homey...

U Talk ALL this Shit about "Fraud" & "Flyd",yet when it's Time to MANthefuckUP,U Wanna BACK Dat Ass Up like a KKKoward ...

If U Believe even HALF as Much SHIT as U Talk AGAINST Floyd & FOR Euro-Fighters,U'll BOLDLY Accept the 30 Day Terms REED has DARED U TO TAKE...

NOW the "Balls" R N YOUR MOUTH,Scrub...


REED

 

Done. :bears:

 

Damn Reed, why are your eyes always watering, like a Coon Hound or something???

I'll boldly accept your daughters skanky herpes laden twat.:eeeek:

And shithead, its FLID, not Flyd. Who the fuck is FLYD???:dunno: :dunno:

I'll go one week sig bets on both Hatton and Taylor, and you will pre- reveal the content of yours in the event that you win, {for both} and I will do likewise, and as soon as everybody is good to go, we're good to go.

If you can't manage that, then fuck off. White mans rules. If you want to interact with me, you'll have to accept them. If you are going to call me a KKK member, then you are going to get treated like I was :nono:

So man the fuck up, lets see your bets, you'll see mine, accept the week, and we're good to go.

The manner in which you have behaved, you're lucky your half-dressed ass is even being allowed in the door. You're being given an opportunity to mix it, but like any good ghetto fuck, you're blowing it, like your missus did me last night.

Balls are back in your Cunt I mean Court, "Hommey":laughing:

 

And Reedard, You Will See That This IS How Business Is Done

Ricky Hatton's father Ray has confirmed a deal has been struck "in principle" for son to face Floyd Mayweather later this year.

Ray Hatton said a verbal contract had been struck between lawyers for both parties with, crucially, an agreement reached over the financial side.

But he is remaining cautious until contracts have actually been exchanged.

Hatton said: "We have agreed a deal in principle but the date and venue is up in the air."

No date or venue has been agreed for the superfight, but it could happen on 10 November or 8 December in Las Vegas.

"I can't honestly tell you a deal has been done until I see the signatures on all the documents," he said.

Ricky Hatton admitted he was eager to take on five-weight champion Mayweather after demolishing Jose Luis Castillo in his outing for the IBO light-welterweight title on 24 June.

Both fighters are unbeaten, although Mayweather had previously insisted his own victory Oscar de la Hoya last month would be his final bout.

The American's representatives flew Ray Hatton and the family's lawyer Gareth Williams out to Las Vegas to watch last week's fight between Bernard Hopkins and Winky Wright.

Ray said negotiations were "cordial", but that the pair had flown back to England with both camps "far apart" on the financial aspects of the fight.

However, a deal has been reached over the telephone in recent days.

"It is a great fight for Ricky. How many times do you get to fight the best fighter in the world? I see it as a win-win situation because Ricky cannot fail to impress," Hatton added.

"Floyd is coming off a great win over De La Hoya and Ricky over Castillo. Between them they are unbeaten in 81 fights. There is nowhere else it could happen. It would be an unbelievable fight."

Neither fighter will go into the ring bearing a recognised title belt.

Mayweather handed back the WBC light-middleweight belt he won over De La Hoya because he had no intention of remaining at that weight.

But both Mayweather and Hatton possess the Ring Magazine's belts at 147lbs and 140lbs, respectively. It is likely Hatton would agree to move up to meet Mayweather at the higher weight.

Mayweather's adviser Leonard Ellerbe said Hatton deserved praise for taking the fight.

He told USA Today: "I never thought he would do it, but Ricky Hatton deserves credit for stepping up to the plate.

"He asked for it and now he's going to get it. Floyd is extremely excited. He wants to show Hatton that he's never fought at this level before.

He's going to show him what it's like to step in the ring with the best fighter."



You see Reed, This is how it is done. You squeeze nothing out of Whitey.:nono: :nono: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/6920484.stm

 

REED REALLY Brought the QUIVERING Little BITCH out of YOU,Didn't He???:bears:

"PRE-Reveal" the Content of the Sig??? ..."One Week" Sig Bet???

U're BETTER OFF Saying,"NO Thanks REED,I'm NOT NEARLY as Confident as I TALK"...

Even Hatton HIMSELF would B ASHAMED of YOUR Level of "Committment"...

SCRUB!!!...



REED

 

So we're on??????

Its not like I want money out of you.:dunno:

Its just that I know you're a low down untrustworthy mofo so I need to cover all the angles.

My committment is good. Its you that is pulling out now.:nono:

Are we on?? Or are you going to continue to talk shit in two threads???