Pacquaio/Maywweather Agree To Mediator-ESPN

By his own admission, Toney knew he was going to fail because of the limited time frame in which he had to accept the Ruiz fight. They wanted the fight for July, but had to take the opportunity when granted, and deal with the aftermath accordingly.

I'll say this: I agree with you that the window of opportunity for Pacquiao to cheat is limited at best, nor do I believe he's on roids. It's not to say I'd be shocked if one day a blood test revealed otherwise - I don't put it past any athlete today, to be honest.

I am in favor of random drug testing across the board from here on out, which is where I see the concern on Mayweather's side - IF we were to believe their intentions. But because he constantly drowns in a sea of his own hypocrisy, it's impossible to believe that his demand has even a morsel of having anything to do with the integrity of the sport.

For that, I don't blame Pacquiao for going big dick with him in all of this. I don't co-sign on the stance he's taking. I also think that Keith Kiser and the NSAC should be called to task to explain in full detail why the system presently in place is just as effective as testing used in other mediums. But for now, I think both sides should either just proceed with what's presently in place and push for future changes - or move on, and not agree to revisit this fight until said changes are in place.

 

To be honest, I don't know much about steroids, the testing procedures, the masking agents used, but I don't think we have any experts in out midst either, so people are really just talking out of their ass on the subject. If anyone wants to get in depth about use, testing, masking and all of that I will take back what I said and proclaim you the Fightbeat roid expert.

 

Ok, so you're not as shot as I thought you were Jake. Great post, I agree with everything you just posted. My problem is people are acting like Mayweather is doing this for the good of the sport. That is utter bullshit IMO. I agree 100% that a change in the drug testing procedure for the entire sport is a good thing. Until it's changed accross the board, you can't demand just one guy be subjected to this kind of testing. Play by the rules in place, or change the rule for everyone.

 

Did noone see my post? The fight is on. PBF has backed away from his demands.

 

Excellent post Jake, I don't disagree with any of it.

Especially the part about Mayweather's intentions behind this.

No offense to my comrades here, I like almost everyone on this board, but the naivety of some is shocking. The insinuation that Floyd is some shining knight of boxing, pioneering drug testing etc ::

And especially your last paragraph, that would be the proper way to do things yes. All this bullshit looks amateurish and childish, and that goes for both sides, not just Flid.

Out of curiosity Jake, what are your feelings on Floyd's true motives for this stunt? You usually have a pretty good take on things, so I'd be interested.

 

Well, before I single out Floyd, let me throw both under the bus. I don't think either side really wanted to fight on March 13.

It's too close, and would cause a rushed promotion. May would've been ideal, but Pac's ridiculous political pursuit KO'd those plans. Both knew what the other wouldn't accept, yet managed to call each other's bluffs up until the blood testing issue. I don't think either fighter is very upset that the other won't budge.

That's my personal opinion, of course, but I honestly believe everyone involved would rather let this marinate a little longer and have the fight in September if it can't be May.

With that... the alternatives are kind of revealing:

Arum is trying to sell Pac-Yuri Foreman, which I think is a shit fight, but at least Pac moving up in weight (but again, a shit fight and quite frankly cheating history. I can't emphasize that part enough). A Malignaggi fight was also discussed, but I always thought it was more bait than anything else. Had Pac taken the fight and drop down to 140, I wouldn't mind it (though wouldn't be thrilled with it either). Having Pac move up to fight him would've been bullshit.

Floyd is looking to have either Paul Malignaggi or Matthew Hatton (yes, MATTHEW) move up in weight, rather than look at any fighter 147 or higher.

An easy fix on the Floyd side would be for Golden Boy to move forward with Marquez-Katsidis and have that fight take place on March 13 - and on HBO. Move Floyd to May, which gives enough time to pursue the Shane-Berto winner.

If Floyd is really about anything more than clocking dollars, he'd have thrown up deuces to Pac and demanded that Golden Boy secure a May PPV slot.

Honestly, if the current contingency plans come to fruition, I hope they both bomb, and shame on all parties if either or both fights land on PPV.

 

Cheating history? You mean like how Floyd jumped on the Baldomir fight to become undisputed champ at 147?

 

Here we go. but I'm not going to take a trip back down that road, and will instead limit my response to this:

As vulnerable a champ as Baldomir was, at least he beat the man to become the man. The significance was in Floyd winning the lineal title (which was his critics' chief point of contention when he fought and beat Zab Judah six months prior).

And even in fighting Baldomir, it came about AFTER the public outcry over the announcement that he was going to move up to fight Cory Spinks. People actually had the audacity to insist that he was avoiding Baldomir.

Onto Pacquiao:

I lend far more credence to his capturing lineal championships in four weight classes, than titles of any kind in seven. The catchweight in the Cotto fight rubbed me the wrong way, in the same regard that I never identify SRL as a former light heavyweight champion, and beating Yuri Foreman really won't mean much of anything to me.

A win over Foreman will give Pac the claim of being an eight-division champ, yet will have never made a single title defense in four of them (130, 135, 140 and soon to be 154 if that fight happens).

So... yes, cheating history. Especially when far greater titlists/opposition than Foreman exist at 154.

 

I never heard a single person claim Floyd avoided Baldomir. Infact it was that he avoided Margarito. That was THE fight to be made at the time. Of course history will only show Floyd was once the linear champ, nevermind the fact that he beat possibly the all time worst unified champion.

By cheating history I mean it will seem like more of an accomplishment than it really was looking back.

 

Were U Residing in a CAVE when Brian Kinney was on FNF w/his WEEKLY Anti-Floyd Rants, BITCHING about Floyd vs. Zab???....He FREQUENTLY Threw Baldomir's Name Out There as a Guy Floyd Should B Fighting INSTEAD...When it Happened, NOBODY Bitched about Floyd-Baldomir, yet NOW there's SHITLOADS of HINDSIGHT Complaints:shit:....

& WHO EXACTLY was Clamoring for Floyd-Margarito that Made it "THE Fight" to B Made @ that Time???....



REED:shit:

 

Before Floyd fought baldomir YOU wrote an article for this very fucking site calling him a fraud. You really have no room to speak on this matter. Your opinion of Baldomir is documented.

You know damn well what fight the fans wanted to see and it sure as hell was not Mayweather vs Baldomir. Brian Kinney is a friggin retard. since when did his opinion matter?

You are seriously out of your god damn mind right now.

 

WTF? Come on Reed! All of us at FightBeat wanted to see Floyd/Margarito instead of Floyd/Baldomir. :laughing:
The only people who didn't want to see Floyd/Margarito were you, slystaff, and bigdawg for obvious reasons.

 

baldomir was garbage. idiots like dan rafael complained when it was going to be mayweather jr vs spinks and it ended up as baldomir. spinks was a more credible foe and wouldve made for a much more exciting match than baldomir did.

 

Yeah I posted about detectability about a dozen times in various threads, about the various doping regulations, how olympic style random tests are conducted, that announced urine tests are basically worthless. Gave some insight what athletes do to cheat, but nobody gave a shit and it was a huge waste of my time, because people ask the same basic questions over and over again, and it´s not that difficult to educate yourself about EPO, blood doping, hematokrit, red blood cell count, whereabout rules and control regulations, bans without positive tests, detection windows. I don´t claim to be an expert, but some things repeatedly asked are just basic and you can educate yourself fairly easily, if people had any interest besides taking one side (Mayweather or Pacquiao) and riding that in ignorance.

 

NO REED DID NOT:boohoo:...

YOU'RE Guilty of Believing Waaaaaaaaaaay Tooooooo Much of Caligula's BULLSHIT....EVERY SINGLE Article that REED has Written is STILL on Fightbeat's Homepage....

FIND the Article, GOOGLE the Shit OR Admit U're WRONG & SHUTthefuckUP...



REED:shit:

ps. So U DID Hear @ Least ONE Person Claim Floyd Ducked Baldomir, Huh???...

 

Margarito was NEVER EVER a Draw...So this Notion that "The WORLD CLAMOURED" for that Fight is BOGUS...Back Then, Floyd-Margarito WOULDN'T have Done Noticeably BETTER #'s than Floyd-Baldomir Did...& There's NOfuckingWAY Floyd-Margarito would've Done BETTER #'s than Floyd-Dela OR Floyd-Hatton...

U Guys R Talking OUT of your ASSES & U're Chock FULL of SHIT...




REED:shit:

 

If Floyd is to fight Pacquiao in September, he should have a tune up against Margarito 1st, pay him the $250,000 he deserves, toy with his lame slow ass and then attempt to beat the P4P king.

 

REED, do you even care about watching the best fights in the sport of boxing? Or do you only care about how much money your hero Floyd is making? ::
Everybody on Fightbeat wanted to see Floyd/Margarito for years except a few HARDCORE Floyd fanatics!!!!

 

Yep, but running up and down the squirming ladder and being repetitive is EXPOSED in itself,.. they virtually inform you of thier priorities, 'I love Pacquiao, I hate Floyd, I am obligated to redirect the spotlight everywhere that I can until it all blows over'.

 

REED COULDN'T Care Less about Floyd's Wallet:shit:...

"Everybody on Fightbeat" REED's ASS...Floyd-Margarito was NEVER Some Highly Anticipated Fight that Fans Wanted to See...Not Unless U Count the BRIEF Period of Time btwn the AFTERMATH of the Cotto Fight & the time that Margarito was EXPOSED as a CHEATER....


REED:mj:

 

I agree.

Now we have to wait til later in the year, and see two shit matchups. :shit:

A big :flip: to both sides. I hope they all catch the clap.

 

Actually lots of people on this site were claimoring for Floyd to fight Margarito simply because they wanted to see Floyd once again face a big tall tough welterweight similar to Castillo. Nobody wanted to see him fight Baldomir and nobody wanted to see him fight Spinks and nobody really gave a crap about the financial numbers either. We just wanted to see Floyd face a decent test and you should remember this was even before he fought Hatton and ODLH.

 

That's Some CONVENIENT, Floyd Hater BULLSHIT...

Around the Time of the Baldomir Fight, Margarito was on the OUTSKIRTS of the Welterweight Division, DESPERATELY Trying to Get a Fight w/ANYBODY...

In 2005, Margarito BEGAN the Year Facing Sebastian Lujan, then Kermit Cintron, Manuel Gomez (Beginning 2006), Joshua Clottey, Paul Williams (1st Fight of 2007), Golden Johnson , Cintron II (1st Fight of 2008) & Cotto...

There was Nearly a YEAR of INACTIVITY btwn the Cintron & Gomez Bouts....Just about 10 Months of INACTIVITY btwn the Gomez & Clottey Fights....& ANOTHER 8 Months Before Margarito Fought Williams...

Conversely, Floyd BEGAN 2005 Against Henry Bruseles (@ 140), then Fought Arturo Gatti (SAME Weight)....ENDED the Year Against Sharmba Mitchell in his 1st Fight @ 147...In 2006 he Faced Zab & Baldomir....In 2007 he Faced Dela & Hatton...

Margarito DID NOT Become an ATTRACTION Until AFTER the Cotto Fight...Fuuuuuurthermore, he was Relatively INACTIVE & Facing BUMS OR Flat Out LOSING Himself...There WAS NO "Clamor" For a Floyd-Margarito Bout @ that Time...

In 07' Floyd Faced Dela & Hatton....But MORE Importantly, Margarito LOST to Paul Williams & Fought Deeeeeeeeeeep on the Cotto-Shane UNDERCARD....In 06' Floyd Fought the Former Lineal Champ THEN The ACTUAL Guy, while Margarito Fought the Then UNTESTED Joshua Clottey & Manuel Gomez (Sugar Shane LEFTOVERS about 10 Years REMOVED)....

"Clamor" REED's Ass...



REED:mj:

 

true

8 million was more than fair. He decided to fight Oscar instead.

 

The Floyd nuthugging is sickening.

 

Don't know who this news source is but everyone from Btalk, Boxingscene, to ESPN are all quoting Arum saying the fight is off.


http://www.boxingtalk.com/pag/article.php?aid=19050

 

You know what? I'm not even going to discuss that time period because so much has elasped since then that I can't remember every little detail. I do know this though, Floyd didn't fight anyone we knew he might lose to and still hasn't other than ODLH. Then after a tough fight with ODLH he retires right when it's time to do the rematch. Why? I thought he was burned out. Now I'm certain he was afraid he'd lose. Now apparently Floyd refused to negotiate on his blood test demands with Manny so there's another tough fight for Floyd up in smoke. So who's Floyd fighting next? You guessed it Malignaggi, a campaigning 140lb fighter. Manny Pacquiao aside there is no excuse for this bullshit REED. You yourself said if Floyd didn't fight somebody tough after JMM that even you would criticise it. Well I'm waiting...

 

Do you hate Fraud for not getting in the ring with an opponent who's been pumping himself full of illegal performance enhancers and is allowed to do his 'own thing' regarding his handwraps?..

I've hated Fraud for 99% of things before,.. but this time, he's not wrong, he's helped to reveal one of the most despicable forms of illegal capitalist activity in boxing that I have ever seen,..he dropped the "D-bomb", if not for him, Arum, Pedquiao and company could have gagged each and every opponent with career high pay, and this facade could have gone on forever. I'm thankful the fight is off, and that there is a spotlight on Pedquiao as the drug cheat that he is, the whistle has been blown, and now we also get the oppurtunity to scan which other fighters have a problem with this sport without performance enhancing drugs because if they were clean, how could they not have a problem with other opponents using performance enhancers against them? ...any other fighter who 'sides' with Pedquiao on this issue is probably doing so out of empathy.

It was not Fraud's intention to send a clean ripple through boxing's filthy underworld, and get every suspect panicking, especially Pedquiao, his promoter and team, and thier groupies,.. but incidentally he has, and I'm glad he did,.. it's a step in the right direction.

 

Speculation and gossip, not fact.

The facts are, Manny is roid free until proven otherwise.

 

So you're saying, even if PBF brought this up in order to get out of the fight, that he's still in the right since it's a good cause. Okay, I'll buy that. But PBF is still afraid. Damn shame too. Good fighter. Just not much belief in himself.