Pacquiao - Linares in 2008?!

Manny would beat most guys at 130 he is that good.

However guys like JMM and Guzman are the real threats. Even Roach would admit to that unlike the blind fans.

people hype clowns like Soto who has 5 losses as if he was undefeated. All of a sudden he is a big threat to Pacquiao? He lost to kevin kelly for fucks sake. the shot version.:doh:

 

Soto is a clown? :laughing: The Kelley fight was quite a bit back big deal. Since then he has fought very well. If he beats Guzman I expect to see you give Soto some credit. The guy is a damn good fighter.

 

That's fine Mitchell, you're within your rights to think that, I guess all I am asking is what do you see in Guzman that makes him more talented than Pacman? Because I simply don't see it.

And Val - I disagree that Guzman has quicker hands too. His hands are pretty quick, Pacman's are very quick, and the straight left especially just snaps out of nowhere.

 

That's LATIN's way of "making excuses" just in case Pacquiao obliterates Soto. That's how he works. I can't wait to hear the excuses once Manny smears Fagquez across the canvas.

 

soto is a good fighter. But he is also very unproven at 130. For a while he was been hyped as pacquiao's biggest test at 130. Based on what?

Guzman, JMM, Valero have proven more at 130, Hell Soto wasn't even a champion at 126.

I think Paquiao should fight all them guys before Soto. But of course being promoted by Top Rank Soto was getting hyped like Margarito was at 147

If Soto beats Guzman I'll give him credit. But I think Guzman is more skilled than Soto and will outbox him. It will also be interesting to see Guzman under Floyd Sr.

 

bullshit! I already told you I rather see Manny fight JMM, Guzman, or Valero

I don't care to see him fight unproven Soto just cause Arum said so. you probably also bought into the bullshit that Margarito was the most feared man in boxin since Hagler cause ARum said so :laughing:

IF Soto beats Guzman I'll give him credit.

for the record I never critized Soto as a fighter. I just don't think he is more proven than other guys at 130 to get the Pacquiao fight first.

funny you nit pick JMM's carreer for the Norwood fight and any close decisiona he had. Yet you overlook Soto's 5 losses including one to a shot keving kelley. ::

 

He held the WBC Featherweight Interim title. You simply don't know much about boxing.

 

Nobody hypes Soto as Pac's biggest test except Arum. If Soto happens to beat Guzman he becomes more proven at 130 than 2 of the guys you just mentined (Valero and Guzman obviously). Hell it's not like JMM is hugely proven at 130 either. He only has 1 fight there.

 

Now that I think about it JMM wasn't proven at all at 130 and he still got a fight against MAB. :dunno:

 

I think JMM is proven, his 126 exploits make him a threat at 130. But VALERO? :laughing:

LATIN just showed how much he knows about boxing by refering to Valero as one of the elite. I guess getting a cut stoppage over Honmo means a lot to guys who don't know boxing like LATIN.

 

if you think winning an interim tittle is the same as beating a champion than you don't know shit about boxing.

The interim tittle is supposed to force a fight with the real champion. In Soto's case that never happened.

Same shit happened at 112 with ARce holding the interim wbc belt while Pong was the real champ. Even I ripped Arce for claiming he had won a world tittle at 112:dunno:

 

he was a 3 time champion at 126 and a pfp fighter for a while. don't act like his credentials are the same as soto, please.:laughing:

 

Using your own criteria, JMM was not proven at 130. He didn't deserve a fight with MAB. PFP my ass, the guy had no big wins.

 

the difference is Soto had no big wins at 126 or 130

Marquez was a 3 times champion at 126 and was considerede by many as the man at 126 not to mention a pfp fighter. You can disagree if you want but your bullshitting yourself if you think the rest of the world agreed with you.

Hell I remember even after JMM was robbed against John in Indonesia and lost his tittle he was still on many top ten pfp lists.

So Marquez brought that into 130. Soto brought nothing. Arum put Soto with Manny's brother to create a mandatory fight against manny once Soto destroyed Bobby. Even though Bobby had 13 fucking losses already.:laughing:

you can pretend Marquez and Soto had the same credentials when the moved up to 130 all you want but you know it's bullshit. same of you biased opinions to win a stupid argument. :laughing:

seriously, most guys with 5 losses get ripped yet people treat Soto like he's undefeated. :eeeek: why cause he beat juarez?:dunno:

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I think it's pretty obvious Humberto Soto has real problems with Southpaws, even shot ones and ones that aren't known as having a punch. I think he fares well against the elite of orthodox fighters at or around 130lbs

 

BULLSHIT.

Show me a Ring magazine where Yawn Fagquez ever cracked the Top 10 P4P ranks before his fight with Barrera.

LATIN talking out of his ass like usual.

 

Show me a Ring Magazine where Fagquez cracked the Top 10 P4P. I'm not saying you're lying but without proof, you don't have shit.

I like how LATIN's lies gradually build up, but he completely disregards the truth (like when Pacquiao should've gotten the WIN instead of a draw except for a scoring error, yet LATIN blindly ignores that point because it doesn't fit his nuthugger perception). Now he's calling Fagquez a Top P4P fighter when I don't ever remember him cracking the Top 10. Next thing you know he's going to claim Fagquez won Fighter of the Year honors too. :laughing:

Beyond the Grave would know for sure, he's FightBeat's Ring Mag expert.

 

not that the fucking ring magazine matters that much. and I have some old ring magazine issues I can look at later on but here is what I found on his bio

In 2005 he was stripped of his IBF belt for his inability to defend against the respective number one contender of the organization, Phafrakorb Rakkietgym, after the bout failed to draw a bid, and due to the WBA "super" world championship rules, Marquez lost his WBA belt as well. In 2006, Marquez attempted to regain a title, coming up short in a controversial decision loss to Chris John of Indonesia in Chris John's home country for the WBA featherweight championship—this disputed decision led to The Ring magazine's removal of Marquez from its pound-for-pound top 10 list

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Juan_Manuel_M%C3%A1rquez

clearly it states that they removed him from the top ten pfp lists after he got robbed in Indonesia.

I know back when I used to get the ring magazine I used to see him in the top ten for a while. Not just Ring Magzine buy most boxing websites had him and his brother for a while.

Again I could give a shit about the fucking ring magazine who once gave Paulie Ayala fighter of the year :laughing: but just to prove the point.

of course you will find something else to bitch about and deny it.::

 

Dude all I asked is for proof. I wasn't denying it, I even said above I just wanted proof.

Apparently he is in the Top 10 even now, I don't have the ring mag but I just checked it online. He took Barrera's spot. I didn't even realize Barrera was ranked that highly.

It's funny though, the same Barrera that you're critisizing as an opponent for Pacquiao is the one that is responsible for uplifting your queer hero into P4P. :laughing:

 

JMM had no big wins at 126 or 130 either until he beat MAB. The truth is he had some solid wins but that was about it. Hell, he got into the Ring PFP Top 10 because of a fucking DRAW (which I thought was a loss). Regardless, until JMM moved to 130 his biggest wins were guys like Peden,Gainer and Medina. That is hardly earth shattering shit. Was he more established than Soto? Sure, but that don't mean Soto don't deserve a shot at a big fight or semi big fight (which Guzman is).

 

I don't critize Barrera, he is still a pretty good fighter. But reality is that he is coming of a loss and you ask the majority of people and they will tell you Pacquiao handles him easier this time around.

An older version of Barrera against a better version of pacquiao and what do you thinkt he result will be?:dunno:

 

well the pacquiao/JMM will always be argued. you remember the message boards back then and alot of people were split on who won. Even JMM haters thought he won. I definately thought he won.

Besides my point was not that Soto doesn't deserve a big fight like Guzman. that's fine he does. But fighting Pacquiao is like fighting Oscar in the lower weightclasses. It's the biggest fight to be made.

I just don't think Soto has done enough to warrant bypass guys like JMM, Valero, and guzman.

Let's be real, Arum put Soto in with Manny's brother to create interest in a fight with Manny.

now I'm hearing a possible LInares/Paquiao fight, fucking ridiculous. those guys will probably give manny a good fight but there is no reason they should bypass other champions at 130 to get to manny.

 

He was clearly NOT denying it, Latin. :laughing:

 

You love me. :clap:

 

You do know Richard Schaefer and Arum are planning the Soto fight for AFTER the Fagquez rematch.

Golden Boy and Arum are BOTH making money off of Pacquiao now so it's in their best interest to make the biggest fights for the biggest money and right now in the lower divisions it's Barrera and Fagquez. Guess who Manny's next two opponents are? opcorn:

 

That is probably a good guess, I would say 55 plus, bro.
I met "The Hollywood Fashion Plate" as a kid in fact.
On topic, I am working with a 16 year old featherweight from Houston with 7 amateur fights that would have no problem drilling Manny.

 

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I am not saying Vince would win (the kid is a minor), but what I am saying is my guy would drill Manny and drill him hard as long as it lasts if they ever got together.

 

Let's be realistic, Linares-Pacquiao is not happening. The guy is young and they aren't feeding him to the wolves already, no way. As for your comment about Pac and JMM, in the poll here more people thought Pacquiao won. You can talk about JMM haters or whatever else but overall more thought Pacquiao won. I DEFINANTELY think Pacquiao won.