Pacquiao running scared from Marquez!

Pacquiao hasn't had a major win in three years. The Morales he beat had already been exposed by a 10-pounds-lighter Barrera and a shit-boring Zahir Raheem. Since Pacquiao is refusing rematches with Marquez and Barrera, he probably shouldn't be in my top 25.

I never rank fighters based on a loss, unless it was an iffy one. Mayweather-De la Hoya wasn't iffy. Also, De la Hoya hasn't won a fight in over a year. No win in over a year + no major win in almost five years + no plans to fight = no ranking, pound-for-pound.

I'll never pick Carlos Baldomir against Floyd Mayweather. I'm also not going to rank De la Hoya because he LOST to Floyd Mayweather.

 

it's your list. not mine. and it's horrible. and shows that you're willing to look like a complete ass and suspend all reason just to make a point.

 

You can same the same thing about a lot of people though, mate. Thats the way boxing works. Everybody knows Vic is one dimensional, but that one dimension is significant as evidenced by the number of broken 112 pounders he's left behind.

Vic's faced trouble before against Pacheco...he survived and won via KO. Its not his fault with the circumstances surrounding that night. It reminds me of the heat excuse people use for Robinson v Maxim. Only one guy got hot? :dunno:

His wins over Sikali, Maldonado and Gabi are quality wins. Then again, I remember reading here that Gabi was the worst title challenger ever. :notallthere:

Nobody is perfect though and Vic's not close to that. There are fighters out there who could beat him. Martin Castillo and Mijares are two guys who would stand big chances. But they're a weight up and @ 112, the only guy who really takes the eye, is Wonjongkam...but that fight has zero chance of ever happening.

So if a guy is only going to get beaten by bigger opponents, why be so hard on him?

 

.no, I dont

 

What does that have to do with you ranking Oscar de la Hoya in the top 15 or 20, pound-for-pound? That's a retarded call, even for you.

 

let me know the when Darchinyan has a major win. the next time will be the first time.

there's so much wrong with your list i'm surprised you even posted it. usually, you're not willing to go out on a limb like this. so i give you credit for that. but man, you're coming from an even worse place than i imagined.

 

Yes his list is pathetic. When you have to say anything to win an argument you didn't really win. I could tear apart most of the fighters listed like he did Pacquiao but to be honest I don't see the point of tearing down a bunch of fighters. The list speaks for itself. ::

 

where did i do that? suggest that? imply that?

i think there's too many variable here for you to keep track of. you need to keep the number of dimensions small - only then will you manage to make sense.

 

Pacheco and Malodano are better than anyone Ocar's beaten since Fernando Vargas in 2002.

 

i agree. strength, power and courage are all virtues. especially among boxers. so i guess it's stupid to discredit wins that have come by way of these.

but in terms of ranking him against the likes of ODH, even now? these things matter. can he move up and beat or even be comjpetitive with the best guys at 115? well, if he can't, i find it difficult to even talk about him in the same category as ODH, don't you?

i'm looking forward to Vic's next fight - i think Donaire is a real guy and a win over him will mean a lot.

 

I don't think Pacquiao is scared but I'm glad the record shows it's not JMM who is no willing to make the rematch. He is considered by most people the champ at 130 and the toughest test for Pacquiao. PEriod!

I also said a long time ago that Pacquiao signing with Top Rank will get him paid but won't get him the meaningful fights. His fanatics are happy that he gets paid like they will actually see a dime from his purses.:laughing: while he fights the Solis type of fighters.

All I heard was how Arum was gonna make him a star in Asia, fighting in Macau and blah blah blah. He ended up fighting in Texas against a tonmato can with ARce and Chavez jr. to help sell the card.

fact is Pacquiao will end up fighting Soto who has proven nothing so far and hasn't even won a tittle. He will fight him because it's the biggest fight Arum can deliver for him being that he is also a top rank fighter.

fact is Pacquiao will fight shit competition from now on. At least people know JMM is willing to fight him while pacquiao isn't for whatever reason.::

 

So, you think Darchinyan shouldn't be ranked about De la Hoya because Darchinyan can't move up one weight division and beat the best there? Not only can't De la Hoya even think about moving up to 160, but he can't even beat the best fighters at 154. And 147.

 

get the fuck out of here. Pacquiao will make money with anybody. But with Arum he was gonna be limited to fighting shit competition and it's already showing.

your right he is getting more money but dont' pretend the level of competition will be the same. AT least admit he picked the money over the competition.

 

i'm all for the Pacquiao/JMM rematch. and if it doesn't get made, shame on both guys. but let's face it, Soto would kick the shit out of Barrera. And Soto/JMM would be close. So if Pacquiao really does take on Soto, it's something.

 

all my philipino friends think he is an idiot. The guy is in his prime and is fucking around with politics like it's common for a boxer to juggle the two things. :notallthere:

 

if ODH fought Spinks, and Vic fought Mijares, who do you think you'd rank higher?

 

based on what? he beat Juarez who is incredibly overrated.

Soto is a nice fighter but he is the 130 version of Margarito. A tough mexican fighter who is fun to watch that hasn't done shit to be considered that good.

Just cause Arum said so.:laughing: I mean let the guy beat a champion or someone worth a damn. He is about to fight bobby pacquiao who Carlos Hernandez beat not to long ago and got robbed. enough said. :dunno:

 

If Oscar de la Hoya fought Cory Spinks, they'd be selling snowcones in hell.

 

You are a ridiculous insect.

 

and the same goes for Vic/Mijares. No? doesn't make the question any less relevant. care to answer it?

 

The guy has fought 1 damn time under Arum. Don't pretend like he's gone years fighting junk. That shit isn't right. He isn't like JMM who fought so much junk for so long.

 

so what's the plan? let's face it most of the meaningful fights at 130 are with GB and tha'ts no secret.

He will end up facing overrated Soto only because Arum promotes him as well. Soto will dispose of bobby pacquiao and that will be enough reason to sell a fight with Manny not because i'ts the fight to make.

Seriously I still wonder how Soto became the man to beat at 130 by some people. :notallthere:

I guess that will be another ppv with chavez jr. on the undercard. But pacquiao will get a nice purse so who care who he fights right? :laughing:

 

This is why boxing suck, people argue about bullshit. Pacquiao track record shows he'll eventually fight the top guys. People worn't complaning about how Morales suck before pacquiao distroyed him. You can't let Pacquiao slide for fighting Solis, but you can let Marquez slide for fighing Jaca or Jandaeng. I think you guys should chill out and let the clouds settle, the fight would usally come thats all we can ask for. The last information I heard, Valero team is not ready for pacquiao, Guzman is too fat, Barrera still has issue, and marquez... Why should he fight Marquez, so pacquiao haters can say how stupid he was taking 25% of the pot. If Marquez relly wants the fight, stop hiding behind his belt and do what Guzman is doing. Be his own man. Fucking boxing fans look at every fight as glass half empty. Thats why UFC is catching up to boxing.

 

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You're an idiot. Shaw's been trying to set up matches between Darchinyan and several fighters at 115, including Castillo and Arce (who have since lost). You simply don't know anything about the sport. Oscar would never fight a boring spoiler like Spinks, especially at this stage in his career, while Darchinyan's management has been shopping around for fights at 115.

 

we'll see. but in two responses, you've not answered my question.

 

He hasn't fought anyone important in three years, and he's only beaten one or two top fighters in his entire career.

 

Well, here's your question:

It's a moot question for two reasons:

1. De la Hoya will never fight Spinks, while Darchinyan might fight Mijares.
2. I don't rank fighters on who they fight; I rank them on who they beat. Further, I don't use supposition and fantasy in my rankings.

 

Pacquiao's wins:

1. Ledwaba by KO
2. Julio by KO
3. Barrera by KO
4. Morales x 2 by KO

 

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Margarito beats all your favourite midget fighters.