Pacquiao running scared from Marquez!

The most logical conclusion of this whole thread is for Yawn Manuel Fagquez to go back to Indonesia and take a $30,000 payday to get his revenge on Chris John. ::

 

It's funny the way these ignorants discredit the only man iin boxing who is dominant and is setting an example of fighting the best and beating them in dramatich fashion. And then these same idiots start crying about the state of the sport

 

funny how Pacquiao won't fight Marquez as a mandatory cause it doesn't make sense money wise. Yet they throw Guzman and Valero as possible oponents. Forgetting that Pacquiao is also the mandatory for those two belts. Shouldn't they get 75/25 on their mandatory defenses? ::

This is pacquiao's fault who signed two checks with GB and TR and thought that was a good idea to begin with. :doh: :laughing:


maybe a Solis rematch since Solis claims Pacquiao dont' hit hard. :dunno:

 

I honestly think Fagquez would find a way to lose to Chris John again and this time it would be for $20,000. ::

 

He deserves a paycut after the first fight with John.

 

It's funny how these Pacquiao haters will accuse Manny of fighting crap after one fight under Arum's management (against a guy who was 32-0.. yeah... really crap ) when Fagquez went for nearly 5 years fighting nobody after nobody, and losing to Freddie Norwood and Chris John along the way. Manny destroyed the top fighters at 122-126 for years, guys who had never been destroyed before, won fighter of the year honors, and is universally ranked P4P #2, not by me only, but by everyone else.

Then they state: Why can't Pac fight Marquez? Duh, the two promotional houses are in court right now in legal wrangling. Valdosta already showed how stupid it would be to let this thing go to purse bid when Pacquiao is the OBVIOUS money man, Fagquez couldn't even make a bus driver's yearly salary getting schooled in Indonesia, of course Pac isn't going to let the WBC dictate when and for how much this fight happens. That would be a shithead move.

Then the Manny haters say, why Valero, why Guzman? Because those two guys have promotional houses who are willing to do business unlike G. You'd think none of these guys took a remedial level business course in their lives.

The most obvious blunder made by Pac haters: This fight was supposed to happen 2 YEARS AGO, when both management teams were on somewhat friendly terms and Pac was willing to even take "short" money to make the fight happen. Fagquez was offered $750,000-$1,000,000 to make the rematch happen, up to that date money Fagquez had NEVER seen before and he FLAT OUT TURNED IT DOWN. There wasn't any legal excuse, no injury excuse, no nothing, Fagquez flat out refused to fight Pacquiao in a rematch for a career high payday and in his next fight took $30,000 to LOSE his belts to Chris John.

I can understand being biased for your preferred fighter, but how does a Fagquez fan excuse all of that, plus getting put on queer street by Freddie Norwood, and then getting schooled by Chris John for peanuts? He couldn't even beat down an OLD, shot, MAB and nearly got stopped in that fight. Yet you criticize Pac? :dunno:

 

you talk about Marquez getting schooled in Indonesia and you question the knowledge of other posters? your so stupid your like a broken record repeating the same argument to the point where all you can do is talk about gay shit.

Even your boys in this message board called you out on the issues you have with marquez.

seriusly dude you argue like your 12 years old or something. Your the same clown who thought Pacquiao was gonna win the election and thought it was a good idea to juggle both politics and boxing. Even though anybody with half a brain knew it was a stupid idea to begin with.

I be you also think he will become a lawyer.:laughing:

your such a sheep your scared to rip your favorite fighter when you should. you actually think he is perfect and that shrine on your sig proves it. ::

I think JMM was a stupid idiot for going to indonesia for that much money and getting robbed. it's common sense.

see that wasn't that hard. :dunno:

pacquiao can fuck your girl and you would defend him. your a sad maricon ::

 

He didn't go there for the money, he went there for the same reason wealthy white tyrants make a quick undercover trip to Thailand annually, to have thier balls deflated,...:dunno: no shame in it really, he just let the wrong people photograph him,..

 

Ouch.
:: :nono:

 

dsimon writes:

Its true I don't know what LatinKings problem is. Marquez figured he would have an easy fight and get a whole horde of sexual partners... sort of a vacation where he had to take an easy fight to take the vacation!

 

People only get this angry when they know what the other person is saying is true. ::

Notice you didn't cover anything about how this fight was supposed to happen 2 years ago but your boy Fagquez ducked out to fight for peanuts in Indonesia? The fact is Fagquez has shown himself to be the one who is unwilling to make this fight happen under the optimal circumstances.

I always maintained that anything whether it be politics or law school would be a distraction for Pacquiao's boxing career. I was glad that Pacquiao lost the election.

Also, Fagquez wasn't robbed against John. Many people thought the fight was close, probably in Fagquez's favor, but certainly not some extreme robbery. Fagquez was tentative that fight. Besides, John was a guy that Fagquez was supposed to blow out, but tentative Fagquez gave rounds away. Pacquiao would've blown John out of the water.

 

Yeah I don't know why Latinking is so mad. Fagquez always goes to asia to find men. What do you think he did with the $30,000 he made against losing to Chris John?

Asian tranny booty call! ::

 

Both guys need him more than he needs them.

I don't think a rematch with Marquez is in JMM's best interest. Since their first fight, Manny's got better and Marquez has slowed down. Manny knocks him out clean next time.

 

it's weird. i never thought i'd say this, but i feel like i trust Arum's word over G's. and based on JMM's having turned down the rematch initially, i think the doubt has to be placed with him. no?

 

JMM was with Arum when they turned it down the first time.

 

yeah. that's a good point. still, i don't see why Pacquiao would duck JMM at this point. but i would understand why JMM would. like you said, it's JMM who has slowed down, while Pacquiao has never looked better.

 

I don't know why LATINKING is so mad. :dunno:

Yawn Fagquez seems like a pretty happy guy.


Yawn Fagquez enjoying a quiet moment with his special "friend."


Fagquez discussing "strategy" in bed.


Kissing a "good luck" charm.


Fagquez relaxing after a hard workout.


Fagquez enjoying "Cock"-tails after a hard sparring session.


Fagquez and his "friend" going to the club.


Fagquez having some fun.

 

Sometimes even Rafael Fagquez enjoys a little company courtesy of his brother.

 

From Left to Right: LATINKING, Juan Manuel Fagquez, Chi Chi.

 

I guess I don't look at it this way...

JMM was with Top Rank then signed with Golden Boy. If Golden Boy TRULY wanted Pac, they would have come up with a better package to keep Manny in the fold.

Plus, they tinkered with Manny before he was legally able to sign with another promoter.

If you look at it from that perspective, you could say Golden Boy purposely (or stupidly) muddied the water to prevent JMM & Pac fighting again. They also took MAB out of the Pac picture as well.

 

I think that's a good theory, but I just put it down to G being kind of inexperienced. They tried to sign a fighter who was still under contractual obligation now they are doing everything to cover up for their blunder.

I think Pacquiao-Fagquez will eventually happen, but it's not going to happen with a WBC purse bid.

 

I just think there are far too many great fights for both guys to be making if this one is too dificult to get signed. Both should be cleaning out the division so a rematch is the only fight left.

 

I'll tell you think much...if Pac takes on Valero, Valero will leave the ring first in linme to fight JMM.

 

So you think Valero beats Pac?:eeeek:

 

Based on what I've seen...absolutely.

 

did u see valero's last fight? although he virtually won every round, he looked like a shit against some scrub.

 

I think Valero's handspeed and counters will be too much for Manny to deal with.

Manny will get in his shots, but Valero's a strong puncher. Morales, MAB and JMM aren't strong punchers. Valero can match Pac in size, strength and speed and none of the Big Three Pac has faced can say as much.

That's why I'd favor Valero over Pac. I think he's got the chin to take Manny's shots.

 

pac's experience would play a big factor. i'm not so sure who wins this fight, but it would be foolish for pac to take this fight when valero is virtually an unknown.

 

Are you insane? I am wondering if you've actually seen valero fight. He's SLOW, fucking slow for a 130 pounder. And his technique is awful. He somehow has heavy hands, but he's slow as shit, and his arsenal, technique and skill is nowhere near pacman's.

I recently made a post about how pacman is soon done as an elite fighter, with all this politics and law school bullshit, but he'd still beat the fuck out of valero without even trying.

In all seriousness Musze. you mentioning valero's handspeed in a positive light makes me question if you've even seen him fight. You'd be hard pushed to get anyone else agree that valero has fast hands. His punches are slow and laboured.

 

I've have the video of valero sparring with Morales and his counters were crisp on on point and his handspeed was on point.

I've also seen the fights that are posted on YouTube (not his last his though) and I stand by what I've said regarding his handspeed. Valero's very good at countering cats.

I've also seen the sparring footage Maxboxing had of him with Urbano Antillon and the Santa Cruz brothers...I believe it was Antillion that he caught with a shot that literally froze the guy. Antillion was out on his feet and the shot damn near ripped his headgear off. Based on those videos, I'd have to argue how you COULDN'T say he had good handspeed.

Also, I forget exactly which fight it was...perhaps it was the Lozada fight, but he caught the guy with a great counter shot which pretty much starched him right then and there.

Valero's technique was MUCH better when he trained in the States with Joe Hernandez and company but now that he lives and trains in Japan, he doesn't get the same quality sparring he once had and he's pretty much goes for 1st round KO's and doesn't set up his punches as well.

There's no question the guy has skill and talent.

Yes his footwork can be shoddy, but so is Manny's. It's not like Manny's a classic boxer either. Add to the fact that valero's also a southpaw, with a longer reach and he's taller than Pac...that has upset written all over it.

To answer your questions...

1). I'm not insane.

2). I have seen Valero fight and stand by what I said.