Post here if you're already sick of the Pavlik bandwagoning

Who was it that suggested Pavlik would 'beat the stutter' out of Taylor ??

In the post-fight in the dressing room... I don't think I've ever heard Jermain speak so seamlessly.

 

The ending was a knockout...do destruction and knockout mean the same thing to you? If they do that's fair...I use the word destruction more literally.

I'm just hoping that people respect JT because he gave Pavlik all he could handle. Alot of people on here are saying shit like JT should never rematch Pavlik...he had the guy out...if I were him I'd be thinking I missed an opportunity and I'd want it again right away. I think he should get a fair amount of praise for his effort in this fight...instead he's getting the opposite which I think is just built up hate for the guy because of all of the lackluster performances he put in.

 

No he didn't have the guy out, Pavlik came back and won the fight remember?

He also got up at like 2 or 3, and was a bit wobbly for the rest of the round. That's called getting up and recovering from a KD, not being "out".

 

I respect Taylor for taking some big shots and staying up.
I don't respect Taylor for not finishing what looked like an easy job during Round2/Round3.

 

Taylor should get mad respect - he gave Pavlik all he could handle; looked the best he has in ages and hurt him in the 2nd. He also fought fire with fire.

That being said - Taylor caught Pavlik with his best punch - and btw, caught a nervous, cold Kelly who was more interested in sticking his tongue out at Taylor and trying to clown him than really getting his game plan going in the early rounds and protecting himself.

Once Pavlik got going and warmed up....it began to become a very different ballgame.

That's why I think Taylor's braintrust likely won't take the rematch, at least not immediately (not Taylor himself necessarily).

Taylor gave his best and trained like hell for this fight.

Pavlik can improve - and would have more confidence in a return bout and be more focused/relaxed early.

Peace.

 

there has been some dispute over that - he did taunt Taylor earlier in the round, but supposedly in the sequence where he got caught, Pavlik was complaining about getting clipped with an elbow. He was foolish to drop his hands and believe all action would stop - protect yourself at all times. But it was that and not pulling a Mayorga (or a Nate Campbell, depending on your viewpoint).

 

people are starting the bullshit already. pavlik got caught clean, fair and square so stop this "game plan not going" or "not warmed up" nonsense. give taylor credit for landing some beautiful shots...

 

I was one of the ones saying that - it looked like he was getting ready to taunt Taylor some more when he got hit with that follow-up barrage. ::

Nevertheless....sticking his tongue out and dropping his hands SEVERAL times (which he corrected later) were tell-tale signs.

Did he believe he got hit with an elbow?

 

That's not the point...the point is what the camps may be thinking.

I don't think it's as easy as saying "hey, we almost got him once, we'll get him again."

Pavlik got caught with a few of those very same shots later in the rounds...sometimes several and didn't blink.

The point is he corrected some things that happened early...and likely would not make those 'mistakes' again...and Taylor fought his best fight and still couldn't finish him.

It's not about "excusing" Taylor - if you look at the board, I am all over threads saying I had it 3-3 and that Taylor put on a great performance.

Peace.

 

Hang on - what kind of a quality, title-holding fighter lets a dangerous P4P puncher off the hook by not doing anything off the front foot from the end of Rd2 onwards?
Following the end of Rd2, Taylor showed he was either:
a) gunshy, or
b) a bitch
... by trying to defensively pot-shot his way to yet another boring points victory.

Sure, Taylor deserves credit for staying up so long...yet if he'd done what a true fighter should've done early, he wouldn't have had to.

 

phonetap really didn't see pavlik doing anything different after the knockdown outside of respecting taylor's power a bit more. pavlik, himself said it best when merchant was babbling with his "you got up but he didn't" crap...pavlik said "well, i didn't get hit as hard".

jermaine was in the worst position possible when he was originally stunned...up, against the ropes and in the corner . taylor should have taken a knee immediately but then again, that's easier said than done...

 

as much as i like pavlik and dislike jermain, he is getting a bad rap here. people are criticizing Taylor for not getting up, but in all honesty he was never given a chance. He got blitzed, sent to the canvas, and the bout was (rightfully) waved off without a count. It's not like Taylor stayed down and alertly watched Smoger count to ten.

I don't get where Merchant was going with that, or anyone else who echoed his sentiments.

 

Pavlik was on real shaky legs when he got up....Taylor looked like his brain wouldn't even be able to send that all-important message to his legs: 'move and get the fuck up'.

 

So what was Taylor doing ON the front foot in round 1 - and when he knocked Pavlik down in round 2?

Not much....he hurt Pavlik with a COUNTER punch.

Did you expect Taylor to be an aggressive, front-footed swarming machine? ::

Taylor was more aggressive in this fight...especially the 1st round...but he was still fighting within his normal style.

He tried for MOST of the 2nd round to finish Pavlik off....so much so that he was punched out by round's end.

He couldn't.

By round 3 -- Pavlik was back in command and didn't LET Taylor establish himself again. Pav started that round very aggressively.

Peace.

 

Bingo.

That led to much better parrying, Kelly moving his head/torso to avoid shots, and being more consistent with his guard.

Before that - Pavlik was just looking for that big straight right - and sticking his tongue out when he got hit. Which made me laugh because it seemed so uncharacteristic of him.

Peace.

 

round 3 was interesting because even though pavlik took a beating he seemed to recuperate better than taylor better going into round 3. taylor went into that round still tired from expending all that energy trying to get pavlik out of there. you're painting a picture where pavlik just took the fight based soley on strategy and tactics and that's not telling the entire story here.

 

Who said it was? :dunno:

Of course that's not the entire story...I never claimed otherwise.

But the fact is I saw Pavlik get more focused, more patient and make some changes in paying more attention to his defense that helped him become more effective vs. the 2nd round (or even the 1st since despite Pav winning it, he was generally sloppy).

Hence, why I think Taylor's braintrust won't be for a rematch necessarily...that and the fact that Pavlik did KO Taylor who fought about as well as he possibly could.

That was the only point I was originally making.

Peace.

 

again...you're discrediting taylor's knockdown while overpraising pavlik's stoppage of taylor. how come when taylor dropped pavlik is was because of sloppiness but when the reverse happened it was because of skill? don't agree with that at all. now you can come back and say, "I didn't say that" but you are indirectly saying it because that's how phonetap is interpreting it.

phonetap is of the opinion that taylor did not fight the best he could because he didn't get the best advice from his corner. phonetap specifically remembers his (taylor's) corner telling him to watch out for the right hand because pavlik isn't hitting him with anything else. at that point taylor became soley conscious of the right hand allowing pavlik to pepper him with jabs which eventually allowed him to sneak a big right hand behind one thus ending the fight.

you're making phonetap type more than he wants to damnit...:tease: ...but the boittom line here is phonetap doesn't just see what pavlik did right and wrong (like you do) he also see's what taylor did right and wrong and in no way, shape or form fought did jermaine taylor fight the best fight he could.

you and phonetap are in agreement that taylor's people won't be enthusiastic about a rematch. pavlik is already the bigger and stronger guy and the added weight in the rematch clause will only benefit pavlik.

 

Hell, if you watch the last 30 seconds or so of the 2nd round, it is Taylor clinching for dear life, not Pavlik. When I saw him so spent that he was clinching while the stunned Pavlik was still throwing, I knew Taylor was finished.

Say fatigue played a role is not an excuse in my opinion. It's just a fact.

 

People are sweating this dude a little too much, but I know he's good. Taylor won't even touch him in a rematch.