Ali had an iron chin. But Chuvulo & McCall were just BUILT to take punches. Squat, stocky, short necks, compact stance and style. Those guys were basically never even wobbled through their career, let alone dropped or KOd.
It does when he was never even rocked while getting hit more while Ali was rocked many times. Ali was infinitely mentally tough and infinitely adaptable in the face of adversity. In combination all those attributes made him nearly unstoppable. But they're different intangibles to the raw physical ability to absorb hard shots.
I think Foreman did rock Chuvalo too, he wasn't close of dropping him yet but his punches did have an effect. Also it must be noted that the fight was stopped pretty quickly so we didn't get to see how many flush shots Chuvalo could have taken. Also, even though Ali was the more difficult to hit, the punches that dropped him were near-perfect shots: Chuvalo wasn't usually caught with his chin in the air. I agree with you that Chuvalo probably had the better chin, but it is difficult to be sure since there are so many variables
Ah crikey, this is epistemologicified oot it's nut! Sly's right - Foreman stopped Chuvalo, couldn't stop Ali, Ali's got the better beard.::
It's kinda a good example of how different intangibles often pyramid together to create one IMPORTANT attribute. Adaptability, Bravery, Chin and a consistently tucked chin all chunk together to = durability. Trying to untangle them is hard. Hand speed, timing, setting speed/not telegraphing & always being on balance chunk together to = real speed. People often ignore the last 3 and wonder why guys with fast hands can't consistently exploit them. Power interacts with a bunch of factors to make how dangerous a guy really is too obviously. Etc. If you really understood the sport (which I don't) you could probably chunk a boxers ability into 5 or 6 foundational attributes made up of many, many intangibles and physical abilities.
For example: Tyson had a better chin than Frazier, no doubt, but Frazier could take more of a beating.
He didn't, because his recovery was much better, and even after getting hit clean on the jaw by the hardest punching dude in the sports history, and being wobbled. He recovered to escape too much punishment. This was a post-prime Ali at that. And again, I'll reiterate, this is Buster Douglas.
The most impressive thing about Frazier is that the man was seemingly unable to process danger. Probably why he had such a short career, all those brutal beatings he took. The most unbelievable thing about Frazier is not the heart he displayed in the ring..but despite nearly being killed in the ring by Foreman....he fights him agian.
Christ you'll just fucking reflexively argue with anything won't you you obnoxious little cretin? No the reason he didn't was because stylistically, he could adapt when hurt and take less shots which allowed him to recover better. ADAPTABILITY. Tyson (or Chuvalo for that matter) only knew one way to fight which was to come forward agressively and as he slowed down and his reactions deteriorated he took more and more solid shots. ADAPTABILITY.
