Quinton "Rampage" Jackson vs Roy Jones Jr slated for December PPV.

But when he fought Toney, he had already had twice as many boxing fights than MMA fights.

 

[video=youtube;DahOLe5z3Ek]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DahOLe5z3Ek[/video]


What's that at around the 4:30 mark of the first? Looks like punches to me...and also looks like Mercer covering up in a ball not doing anything, then giving Kimbo a takedown by leaning into him.

 

So?

Quite a number of MMA fighters have pro boxing records. Which further disproves the idiotic theories but that's not the point.

He still went into boxing with an MMA background(and kung fu) and nothing else. Guy wasn't even an amateur boxer.

 

Looks like the instinctual strategy of a boxer, let the guy throw meaningless shots (which those clearly are, despite your protestations) and then come out of it with a counter... The "lean into him" thing is also an obvious boxing move (muscle the guy off to create room for a punch)

So what are we looking at? A shot, obese 46 year old former boxer who clearly went into this assuming he could use his boxing skills to win fights and knew nothing about grappling, kicking, kneeing, takedowns, etc. ... What is this supposed to be evidence of exactly? Wasn't your original gripe that people were selling short the punching technique and punch avoidance techniques of non-boxing cagefighters? The above video illustrates only that Ray Mercer had absolutely no idea how to grapple, kick, fight on the ground, etc. ... It illustrates nothing about the punching technique or defense against punches of his opponent...

Even the Toney fight, supposedly a smoking gun, illustrates only that Browne (who as Trpl accurately pointed out, has more experience boxing than cagefighting) was much younger and much larger than his old, fat and shot opponent and that his technique was largrely irrelevant because he could make up for it with merely being strong, young and fit against an inept old man

The fact of the matter is that Boxers are inherently more likely to be better punchers than cagefighting guys without boxing backgrounds... They are also more likely to be skilled at avoiding punches... Conversely, they are inherently more likely to be utterly useless with their feet or on the ground or wrestling... This should be common sense, I don't see what there is to argue about

 

Neither was Billy Conn, Dwight Qawi, etc.

Is there a point here?

So far, Lucas Browne has proven to be capable of defeating a completely shot old man and a series of tomato cans... You are acting like he is some world-class fighter with an impressive resume

 

It's in response to the entire line of argument that what happened in the Sylvia/Mercer fight means fuckall to anything.

 

At what level, though?

Mark Gastineau, Too Tall Jones, Mickey Rourke... Those guys have "Pro Boxing Records", as well... Anybody who gets paid for a fight, even one fight, can have a "Pro Boxing Record"

Is James Toney a "Cagefighter" because he has a "Pro Cagefighting Record"?

 

Kimbo landed more strikes while standing, both knees and punches. Kimbo also scored 2 takedowns and submitted Mercer. So yeah in a vacuum you could say Mercer dominated every aspect.

That being said, Kimbo could never beat any version of Mercer in a boxing match. I'm not sure he could beat Bobby Murcer.

 

I didn't see him land a single meaningful punch... The rest I agree with...

 

To be honest to Mercer, he alway's claimed he had a gentleman's agreement with Kimbo to keep it standing

 

Maybe that's why Mercer tried to punch Kimbo after the ref stopped the fight.

If that was the case, this was an "exhibition" and they could have just made it a boxing match.

 

Yeah, I thought that too

Who knows? I'm sure Mr. "Slice" would deny it

 

This is fucking Kimbo Slice. He broke Lee Savold's forearm with a punch. You don't know meaningful Gladys.

 

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No, there is no point.


That IS the point.

You had people acting like a shot boxer being a shot MMAM fighter in a boxing match would somehow prove some superiority in favour of fisticuffs, but when it comes to a sloppy MMA convert who started boxing in his 30s that beats James Toney it is somehow insignificant.

Second I disagree that he was more of a boxer just because he had more fights...10 MMA fights is the equivalent of 20-25 boxing fights...all things considered...and he clearly spent more time as an MMA fighter than boxer.


The reality is this fight is entirely spectacle and it wouldn't mean jack if Rampage was beat up for 8 rounds or if he knocked Roy clean out.

 

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