Rashad Injured - Won't Be Fighting at UFC 140...

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Who said ducking? I'm just stating the fact that the best fighters don't and haven't always fought eachother. You're confusing yourself.

 

The fuck is the matter with you in here? Read.

 

Yes, you are. But you refused to see my point.

 

I really couldn't care any less what you were saying.

My point was my point. I stated it very clearly. Cage fighting has a reputation of making the best fights all the time - it isn't true. Didn't even read your original post, I was quoting Z.

 

Blah, blah, blah

 

The best fights only happen within the promotion, like the best guys in the UFC will always fight each other cause they pretty much have no choice

Back in the day when there were other more relevant promotions the biggest fights werent made cause you couldnt get guys to jump ship and fight for whatever other promotion they needed to.

The closest thing you ever got was chuck going to fight in the pride tournament.

Aside from that we went years talking about what pride guy would beat up with UFC guy and none of it for the most part ever transpired

 

a lot of these ufc fighters are former competitors at other sports where they didn't get paid. there's much more to it than just making money. collegiate wrestlers' goal is to win ncaa and beat EVERYONE they face and they really don't have a choice in matter which guys they want to compete against or not.

whether it's jorge santiago holding the belt or anderson silva holding the belt, the purpose for these guys is to get there and win it.

in jones' case, i'm sure he's trying to establish himself as the best ever.

 

:bears:

Thank you.

 

Let's be honest and dispense with word play. A UFC champion doesn't get any soft touches. Every "next" fight is against the best possible (healthy) guy at the weight.

Jon Jones is a perfect example. Within a 2 year span he will have fought a fellow top contender in Bader; a dynamic champion in Rua; a supposed dangerous slugger in Rampage; and the most elusive counter puncher in MMA in Machida.

Sure Jones versus Silva or Jones versus Cain are interesting match-ups as is GSP-Silva, but the fact that those fights haven't been made have zero relevance in a debate about the UFC consistently making the best fights.

The truth is that GSP isn't personally ready to move up; Silva doesn't personally want to fight Jones; and Jones is personally not ready to move up to fight at HW.

That has nothing to do with the sport or organization. It has tons more to do with the preferences of the fighters themselves.

I wouldn't slam boxing's match making just because a dominant champion like Hagler didn't move up to challenge the LH Champion.

Ridiculous point by SD as usual.

 

You guys sure have selective reading in here. Disappointing.

 

Nah, I'm pretty sure I read:

And I said, it's not the UFC being reluctant, it's the fighters themselves.

But then again, it's just asinine to think that the best "match-up" is by the organization forcing a dominant champion jump up 15-20 pounds. Damn that WBC for not forcing Donaire to move up to 126 and challenge Gamboa.

Yes, it must be my reading. :notallthere::notallthere:

 

You're pretty dumb eh.

 

And the typical comeback from a guy that realizes he made a moronic comment.

I give you:

"All modern MMA has roots in Japanese wrestling in the 80's"



Yep, one of us is dumb.

 

Indeed.

 

The funny thing is - in order to win an internet argument - both Trplsec and Godfather are pretending they don't care if GSP/Silva, or Silva/Jones happens.

They are pretending they didn't care to see Fedor fight the best UFC heavies.

They are pretending they don't care that the best UFC and Pride fighters weren't able to fight in the middle part of the last decade.

:: Obnoxious. You would/would have looked forward to those fights for months.

 

Love it. SD stepped in it again and now he's making up shit I didn't say.

 

If you want/wanted to see the fights in question - then you AGREE WITH WHAT I'M SAYING. ::

 

You're trying too hard now SD. You got your panties in a bunch because boxing's match making was called into question and in your heat you made a moronic comment.

Just let it go. It's not the first time you got your hand slapped in the MMA section. It's just not your strong point. Trust me, in a Curling debate I'd avoid you.

 

No, man, you actually agree with me. You're just too stubborn to admit it.

My point - the best fights don't always happen.

You agree with this.

 

Even Though Steve-Dave is CLEARLY Getting his MMA "TROLL-On", he Does have a Point Here...w/Out Naming Names, Some of the SAME Guys Involved in this Debate Called "Boxing" as a Whole to the Carpet, on the Basis of Matchups NOT Happening...

That Being the Case, U CAN'T have it Both Ways & Then Grant MMA a PASS Because of "Organizations" & Whatnot...That's NO Different than Rival Sanctioning Bodies &/or PROMOTER's Getting in the Way of Boxing's Best Matchups Coming to Fruition...

The Undeniable FACT is, Fedor Emelianenko was WIDELY Considered THE BEST Fighter in MMA, Lb for Lb (& HISTORICALLY), for a SIZABLE Portion of his Career...Yet, Not 1nce Did he EVER Ply his Trade in MMA"s Best "Organization", UFC...Wanderlai Silva vs. Chuck Liddell Happened @ Least a COUPLE YEARS AFTER it Should have...

There's Other Instances...

What Steve-Dave is doing is Regurgitating Complaints, that Have OFTEN Been Hurled in the Direction of Boxing & Redirecting them to MMA...



REED:kidcool:

 

It really isn't complicated. ::

I understand that I immediately put some of you guys on the defensive no matter what I post in here... but come on.

 

Not quite. I honestly can't ever remember anyone complaining that a dominant boxing champion wasn't making the best fights because he didn't go up or down 15-20 pounds in weight.

That's what SD said, and it's ridiculous to slam the match making in either sport for that. Just ridiculous.

 

Was that all I said, or just one of my examples?

Shit, Silva has had several fights at 205. Silva/Jones would be incredible.

 

Yes, it was actually a couple of your examples and it was moronic. Period.

 

You'd love to see GSP/Silva and so would every single fan of cage fighting.