RATE NASEEM HAMED AS {A} A Fighter {B} A Featherweight Champion.

I'd say considering the fact he beat 8 world champions in his 15 defences, he's not FAR below Pedroza and Nelson as a featherweight champion. But nonetheless I think that seems pretty fair to me. :clap:

 

What a grumpy, pompous ozzie you are.

Hamed is not an all time great, get over it, the guy never beat an elite fighter and quit after his first loss.

 

No shit.

 

How do the forum see Hamed faring against:
* Danny Lopez
* Salvador Sanchez
* Ruben Olivares
* Alexis Arguello
* Azumah Nelson
* Wilfredo Gomez

Being as all these guys could punch, I'd say 'not very good', being as Hamed was almost exclusively kept away from punchers.

 

I say hamed gets battered by all of them, barrera style. Sanchez would have knocked him out.

 

He was a boxer that attracted a specific fanbase...similar to that of women who claim to follow football yet nearly always root for Manchester United or Chelsea.

 

Anyone from the old Hamed forum around 1998 remember his 'Hit-List'?
:laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

 

Exactly, like I said - he was the Britney of boxing.

 

The only way Hamed batters an elite fighter is if he hits them with his McLaren. Otherwise he gets his ass kicked.

 

But he was the reason why the featherweights have gotten so much attention and notoriety than ever before, don't you think? When did we ever contemplate featherweights headling ppvs? Hamed spiked the interest in the featherweights.

 

I would say the Barrera-Morales' war in 2000 helped bring the featherweight division(s) into the limelight as well.

 

That's makes him a great boxer/fighter/champion, does it?

 

It has become somewhat of a myth that Barrera thoroughly dominated Naz....highlights of Naz being lifted of his feet, and slammed into a corner post can give that impression...but go back and watch the whole fight...Barrera at times dominated, but on the whole is was a competitive fight which Naz won, imo, 4 rounds of.

Then if you can find it check out the fly-on-the-wall Naz documentary that was run on channel 4 - following Naz during the weeks building up to the fight - and ask yourself how different the fight, and Naz's career would have been if he applied the right attitude, management and training in preperation for this 'defining' bout.

Naz will go down as a great fighter, who never achieved truly great things...if that doesn't sound too much of a contradiction...talent wise he was phenominal.

At the very least, and isn't worthy of as much dispute, is that he was great for boxing in a way very few boxers have been in the last 20 years.

 

You know what I find funny? The same people who shit on Roy Jones Jr are defending Haveeb's accomplishments in this same thread. I won't name any names, but the irony is delicious. ::

 

Hamed was the Mike Tyson or Donald Curry of 126. I find it funny that supporters of those two fighters are shitting on Hamed...but knowing X, he'll have a great excuse lined up.

 

Tyson might be a fuck up and mental midget, but he was a fighter, not a popstar/entertainer/fighter.

And he did love the sport, respect it, and knew a fair amount of boxing history.

In his interviews with people that took him seriously and respected him like Harry Carpenter, Tyson was polite, eloquent, respectful etc and a pretty good guest.

Hamed in any case was a fucking retard with no respect for the sport, not one ounce of intelligence, just fucking bullshit. Regardless of the questions being asked of him the same old shit would come out of his mouth

"Yeah I cud beat floyd n moralizn borrera innit"

"also me iz bettuh dan muhammed ali, cos ali was good, but cud only fight in 1 dimension, but I can fight 3d".

If not for his antics and bullshit he would have been considered borderline world class. An oba carr type fighter. He was not a great fighter or a great champion, and the only thing he brought to the sport was money and teenage fans. The first great, prime fighter he faced crushed him like an insect and he fucking knew it was going to happen too.

 

Not to mention he was on a "Praise Allah, Islam is the greatest religion in the world" phase before Barrera kicked his ass.

I don't care what religion fighters practice, but I never heard George Foreman call Christianity "the greatest religion in the world."

 

How do you feel about Evander Holyfield?

 

All im hearing is "wahhh I didn't like him!" "He was such a big mouthed jerk" "I hated his religion"...boo hoo. WTF are you all thirteen years old? I'd have expected boxing fans would b mature enough to separate a mans personality from the boxer himself.

Facts are simpl: Hamed defeated a bunch of quality fighters and unified a division, which at the time hadn't been done for about 15 years. He didn't "cheat" and pick up a couple of belts at a time, or beat an already unified champion. He went out and beat them all, himself.

Who beat him? Barrera. One of the 50 or so greatest fighters in history. Period. Ohhh but "he ran like a bitch"...blah blah. So did Felix Trinidad, yet he's a hero to a bunch of you. He got beat on his downslide...like Tyson, like Rosario, like Curry...he peaked early and didn't give a shit about training anymore. Life was too easy and apparently he truely believed his own press clippings.

That holds him back from being a true, all-time kind of fighter. But there are no doubts in my mind, Hamed was GREAT and could have been even better. I must have grown up in a different time, when being beaten (and not nearly as bad as Trinidad was) by a terrific, great fighter...means you sucked.

Pathetic.

 

You're ignoring one crucial thing though aren't you. The first prime, world class, modern great fighter he fought totally fucking dismantled and dominated him. It's not like you can even say anything good about hamed's performance. He looked like an off balance retard amateur for the whole fight, and was shit scared before the first bell even rang.

You don't get on P4P lists and become a great fighter by beating people like johnston and medina.

Even Roy Jones had Hops and Toney to hark back to.

Hamed never faced an elite fighter until barrera, whereby he got his arse kicked and retired, that's all you need to know. If you refuse to acknowledge that - you're either dumb or a post, or a hamed groupie.

 

Oh great, you are one of those who excuses the bat-eared midget's ass kicking from Barrera as him being on the downslide, , shit, you forget Barrera was the one who at the time people were saying he himself was in fact the one who past his prime, not that bat-eared midget, , what a crock of shit, dude.

That bat-eared midget was in only one tough fight in his life prior to Barrera, and that was Kevin Kelly (himself past his prime), so how can you say he was past his prime, no, he was not, the bat-eared midget simply started running from decent to good fighters in America, and after his whupping to Barrera, he only fought one more time to a journeyman, and decided to hang em' up before being exposed to a real royal ass-raping.

Great fighters come back from defeats, your so-called all time best didn't, he sucks and he will always suck.

Fuck that bat-eared midget.

...oh yes, my turn, pathetic.

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Yeah it's an absolute crock of shit. Did he look shot just a year earlier, KOing vuyani bungi with 1 straight left?

No, he didn't. Less sprightly than when he was 18 sure, but past it? No.

Lest we not forget, hamed was a 3-1 or 4-1 favourite over barrera.

 

Shot? Who said he was shot? I know I didn't. What he was, was 'lesser'. At least in my estimation. WOuld it have mattered? Who knows. Barrera was always a better fighter than Hamed though, so it might not have mattered.

One thing is certin though, this "domination" of Hamed has been exagerated terribly over the years. Hamed won rounds in that fight. Probably four or so. Barrera beat him and embarrassed him, because of the manor in which the fight evolved. Not because the fight itself was somehow terribly one sided...like Trinidad v Hopkins.

 

It was almost as 1 sided as Hops - Tito. I have watched that fight a few times. Hamed won 2 rounds. He managed to make the scores a little less than a whitewash with those 2 rounds, + getting his face slammed into a ringpost.

Even the flush shots he hit barrera with did absolutely nothing, barrera was pretty much in control from start to finish. Hamed looked scared, flustered, and out of his depth.

 

Hamed won five rounds against MAB.

 

Almost as one sided as Hops v Tito? Ok then. No point in going any further on it.

 

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Yes, it really was. Just like Hops Vs Tito, once it got to about round 3 I knew that Hamed didn't stand a chance.

Like I said, he looked out of his depth, and his straight left was doing nothing to MAB.

Tito won 1 round, Hamed won 2.

Tell me which 4 rounds he won and I'll go back and watch the fight.