RATE NASEEM HAMED AS {A} A Fighter {B} A Featherweight Champion.

Barrera had gotten too much time to recover from that right hand that dropped him, anyway.

 

I didn't remember that, thanks.

 

I was busting your balls.

 

Well done.

I'm guessing Southern State_Douchebag will claim the same thing to save face.

 

Fuck that. No way Pac hit harder at 126. Only Arguello and Lopez are in the ball park for power at 126 and maybe throw in Saddler. Id take Nazs overall power with either hand over any of them.

 

how hard did saddler hit??? not to mention he could actually find pep with shots.....

 

Michael Carbajal and Kevin Kelley had done the groundwork for the little guys. Hamed took advantage of their spadework, so don't be dressing it up as Hameds.

Hamed "dominated" one of the SHITTIEST featherweight divisions ever. Fuck, before Hamed even fought Medina, Medina and Boom Boom Johnson {i ask you....} were knocking lumps out of each other. Medina and Boom Boom Johnson.

Hamed NEVER unified all the belts. He WON all the belts, but he never unified, basically or otherwise. Basically my balls.

I like your point about Kevin Kelley and Morales. But Erik was coming UP from 122, and, while Hamed did too, Hamed was at 126 FOR WAAAAYYYY LONGER when he fought Kelley. And Hamed was always a puncher. And Morales didn't get floored no 3 times in under 4 rounds like Hamed did. That works both ways......Coralles stopped Manfredy in 3 rounds 2 years AFTER Mayweather had done it in 2 rounds. You can nitpick, but they both basically beat the shit out of him, one of them just did it a bit more convincingly.

Ironically, the greatest problem with Hamed is the same one we have with Mayweather. All the talk. All the 3rd person references. Paradoxically, Hamed said he would fight Mayweather. "Bring It" were Hameds words. Mayweather said he would see Hamed coming..."too wild, too short". Hamed talked good fights but, Augie Sanchez, Kevin Kelley...do me a fayva.

When it was all said and done, he lost to MAB. And then he disappeared.

Great fighter, innately, but he lacked the intangibles. When he lost to MAB {and he lost BIG...totally embarassed, ISLAM on his shorts or not} he didn't do the SRL thing and go back to the gym. He quit and got fat.

Fighter: 8/10

Champion 6/10.

 

TOPS

4 is a more accurate appraisal, and the point deduction masks Barreras dominance.

However the point deduction also illustrates how painfully dominant Barrera had come by that stage. Hamed was just basically being worn down to the stage where Barrera felt he could play the guy.

 

da da da........


The Most Unstoppable Muther In The History Of Fightbeat.


"Unbannable"
- The Irish Times

"Calls It As It Is"
-The Telegraph

"I Wish I Had Balls Like Him"
-Steve "Shitpants" Dave.

"Pound-For-Pound The Most Unstoppable Poster Ever"
-Ring Magazine

"I Want Ortho Next"
-Shannon Briggs.

 

HEEEERRRRRRESSSSS ORTHO

 

Perhaps, but what does that have to do with me?

 

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steve_dave, you had Barrerra winning by a single point? :dunno:

 

I aim to please.:cheer:

 

They did the groundwork, along with Chiquita, but Hamed didn't and wouldn't have needed their help. It's not like Hamed became so popular in England because of their exposure. Does Beckham owe his popularity to Maradona?

No one claimed this at the time. I admit I don't know how it compares to past eras, but based on the quality of the rest of your post, I doubt you do either. But, if you do, enlighten us. It's not a bad point if you're right.

Imo, Medina and Johnson were both quality fighters (along with others on Hamed's resume); if not HOF guys, they are almost HOF guys. Medina will make it, I'd guess, and Johnson was better than Medina.

Fine, your balls. When you beat all of the champs or guys who get stripped because they are fighting you, you do basically unify the belts. That's the point of using 'basically' as a qualifier.

Dariusz did the same thing to a lesser extent because he's weaker on the WBC belt. And when the guys who win belts that you don't currently have are previous victims, there is very little to argue.

 

Nothing, but when miKE is getting owned as badly as he is in this thread, he tends to lash out. :dunno:

 

im tired of the overrated talk, if everyone is overrated, then who the fuck is actually good?

 

You are one ignorant douchebag.

When he admits he was 'busting my balls', that means he disagrees with the moronic point you attempted to make.

When a cornerman steps in to save his fighter, it's the same as throwing in the towell and should be considered a TKO, not a dq, regardless of what it is labeled.

Please, try again.

You'd still be an ignorant douche, that's what would have happened.

 

Exactly, when was the last time anyone tried to make DM out as UNDISPUTED??:doh: :laughing:

Medina will get in on longevity alone. But the guy is a serial loser/winner/loser. He avenges his wins with losses.

Hamed got pop in England cos he was the 1st marketable Asian star, and a Muslim in the pre 9-11 era. Hither to, GB didn't have an Asian stand out in the Sports world, and his continuous Chav-Brit-90's harping on brought in the fringe elements, guys who would have been off supporting Hatton and Calzaghe but for the fact that their careers were at an embryonic stage. Hamed also benefitted from the wake of the terrestrial wars of Benn, McClellan, Eubank etc.

So he rode plenty of coat tails my man!!

Name 1 really highly paid lower weight fighter since Hamed that wouldn't have made money off of their own account anyways????

 

i doubt he takes posting on a message board that seriously

 

Dariusz doesn't get the credit (and I'm not saying he should) because of the wbc belt. It's a lot more technical of an argument (Beating Rocc who was in retrospect the wbc champ). With Hamed, everything is bing, bing, bing, bing--> Unified and undisputed.

Agree about Medina.

I don't understand (at all) what the "continuous Chav-Brit-90's harping on brought in the fringe elements" means?

I disagree about Hamed's popularity being related to Kelley, Carbajal, etc, and I disagree that Eubank, Benn, etc, and his being Mid Eastern has anything to do with it, either. Hamed's personality, talent, success, and fighting style would make him popular regardless of the country he's from or the country he's fighting from or the time in which he is fighting. Truly someone who transcends the sport, imo.

 

90's England saw the Ushering in of a new era of "fan"......and what Hamed did/said appealed very much to them. Thats all that means. An under-educated fan base who knew little, in serious terms, about fights and fight business, but who responded to the Union Jack and the bling.

In terms of timing Hamed couldn't have done it better: weak division, and the absence of other British Mega stars. Shit, Lewis didn't get around to fighting Oldyfield until 1999, and Calzaghe and Hatton were only getting started. Shit, Calzaghe and Hatton have only peaked within the last 2 years. Still, a lot of the "Brit Fighter" mentality had been laid down by guys like Eubank, Benn, who had been doing their thing since 1990.

There is no escaping that Hamed fought a lot of very very handpicked/safe opponents.{I mean, Bungu got a 12 round decision over Danny Romero...a former flyweight} He did fight a lot of non-punchers etc. Morales, MAB were safely tucked away at 122, Pac didn't exist, and he could keep talking shit while avoiding Kovacs, and, more importantly, JMM.

When you list the guys he did fight, you have to look at the guys he didn't fight:

1.Morales

2.JMM

3.Lizzarraga

Thats just for the openers. He talked shit about Mayweather too... He also said he wanted Pac, after Pac beat Morales.

 

Why does it offend you so much? Quitaly talked shit about Rahman for YEARS yet absolutely refused to face Haseem in the ring, citing various ailments, excuses, etc....And, of course, Hamed is miles above Quitaly when it comes to achievements in the ring, yet you don't seem to apply the same standards to Hamed as you do to your favorite German quitter.

 

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Good question and its kind of my point. Boxing fans cry about so many things you'd get the impression that there is nothing that makes them happy..and there probably isn't.

A wise man once said: "You know who's overrated? Critics."