Ray Leonard Claims He Was Sexually Abused

You know, you are so right, man. It's a good thing these news articles I've read are also pulling stuff out of their asses and spinning the story.:goodnews:

 

Anyway, REGARDLESS of what some of our individual opinions are on this matter, my initial position has been vindicated by the views of many on this thread. This revelation serves no purpose other than to cause people to question Leonard's toughness/sexuality....in a word...MANHOOD!

 

This? Yet you disagreed with me? Outlander is basically saying the same thing I've been saying only in a better articulated and less sensationalized (admittedly) way.

I agree with him also, hence my position which has been vilified by the resident liberals.

 

this is fair

but I guess I just dont give a shit if Ray Leonard may be a little gay, I hated the guy anyway

also, before you jump all over everyone and accuse them of being brainwashed, you might want to consider that many of us in our intial responses thought we were dealing with a Ray Leonard as a kid with a trainer he was close to

does the fact that he was 20 change things? sure... does it mean Leonard deserved to be weirdly touched by a coach or that he liked it? of course not, that is what I am objecting to... the notion that it is impossible for him to have been startled and stunned by what was happening... that it simply HAS TO BE this "ooh, I love the cock and now I am ashamed" business... its ridiculous

 

:laughing:

 

you do realize that Sugar Ray Leonard could put on a mini-skirt and clear stilettos and make up and tie his dick between his legs and kill you with his bare hands, don't you?

what is "toughness" and "manhood" when a mini-skirted Ray Leonard (or Don Curry, or Griffith) has just dislocated your jaw, fractured your cheekbones and now has you in a position where you are defenseless against an arbitrary sodomizing?

 

I'm sure there are some tough FLAMING queers out there that can beat up any of us here with ease. They are still flaming queers!

Whether they can fight or what not is irrelevant.

 

yeah, but what difference does it make to say "at least I don't like dicks" with a wired-jaw after the fact?

 

slippery slope argument though

 

Yep, same could be said for pedophiles, cannibals, people who send their kids into a different line with "limit 1 per family" coupons, etc.

 

In that case I would shoot him, take a picture of him laying there, in a mini-skirt and clear stilettos and make up and tied dick between his legs, then call the cops and tell them some tranny-homo tried to attack me for no reason at all :dunno:

 

great

if you don't have a gun, you are getting some dick

 

Never said anything about his ring image. Don't make shit up now. I suggested it'll ruin the way his manhood is perceived...as this very thread is proving.

Here's a snippet of outlander's post that you agreed with:

"I don't see how this admission helps anybody. It tarnishes Ray's and this coach's reputation (should we ever find out who he is), and the only "support" I see it giving is to other people who wish they wouldn't have let someone else suck their genitalia when they look back on it 40 years later. I guess there could be a support group for that somewhere. "

 

In the "macho" world of boxing, it does (in the eyes of fans). In figure skating it wouldn't matter, naturally.

 

That was jest. Come on. Is that what you're basing it on?

 

The point is that articles have been saying 15 and 17. THAT is why I was debating the issue.

There's not much point in discussing it further since I was referring to articles I'd read when quoting his age at the time of the alleged incidents. You think older teenagers can't be molested. Cases involving Theoren Fleury and Sheldon Kennedy have shown this not to be true.

 

Fair enough.

 

He was pretty much 20.

Leonard would've turned 20 in May of that year, and the Olympics was in July.

If this conversation happens, say in February. Ray is a "teenager".

 

Can't say I agree with that one.

Pretty sure if you suck off and take dick you are pretty emasculated.

 

No they haven't. You just aren't reading properly.

And as for, cannot and can be molested, pretty sure no grown man allows themselves to be succked off without consent.

 

Come on Anthony, you're better than that:

"Yup, it's a tremendous achievement to have been beaten twice by a man who's had his dick sucked by another"

I don't need to add an emoticon to this post for you to realize it was said to be funny/tongue in cheek/mischievous etc. Come on.

Ray Leonard proved he was a great fighter, nothing changes that...I can't go back and retroactively say he wasn't as good because he was queer. That's silly.

Anyway...this isn't a sticking point for you, the larger point I think you disagree with is my notion that a hint of homosexuality compromises the perceived "manhood" of a FIGHTER.

In the eyes of most, of course it does. If you suddenly found out that Duran was sucking dicks frequently back in Panama during his career...you telling me that the super macho aura that Duran has wont be compromised?

Come on now. Be honest at least.

 

.. I'd say that having sex with men qualifies as "girly."