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Here is how I look at it: how much bigger, faster and harder hitting is Bute than Martinez?

 

Martinez is faster and slicker than Bute. Pavlik doesn´t win fights by not getting hit, he wins them by hitting the other guy and that will be much easier against Bute.

 

And Bute is alot bigger, and WAAAAYYY more powerful then Martinez. So while Bute will be more available to hit then Martinez, Kelly cant afford to take nearly as much of the incoming. If Bute gets a chance to tee off on him the way Martinez did, they'll be scraping Kelly off the canvas.

My official prediction is that Pavlik has a few moments of success early, but more and more gets picked apart as Bute finds his groove, and I dont think Kelly lasts the distance.

 

anybody forgot the 1st Andrade fight??? What the fuck is this shit of "the best at 168 lbs" ?? By beating Brinkley?? You guys are a fucking joke.

 

exactly, for all the bitching us hardcore fans do about chosing the easy path, it still seems that a good portion are still suckers for a good blowout. Guy's like Froch, who beat Pascall, Taylor, Dirrell, and lost a very very close one to Kesller ( who a few years ago, before he stepped up vs Calzaghe, was regarded more highly than Bute is today ) are penalized because they struggled to get theri win. I guess he should have continued fighting the likes of a washed up Robin Reid ( whom he obliterated ), who are about on the same level of the Joppy, Berrio, Miranda or Brinkley Bute fought ( in fact, even a shot Reid humiliated Brinkley )

 

bet your hard earned francs if froch and bute ever tangle. bute will punish that chap

 

maybe, Bute got amazing talent, there's no denying it. But a lot of boxer with amazing talent fails at the elite level because they lack the intangibles. Froch lacks talent, there's no denying that too, but he got the intangibles, big time, and it makes him not only compete against world class boxer but also win. It's only a guess but I'm pretty confident you thought Taylor and Dirrell would have wrecked Froch. They didn't and I don't think Bute would either, in fact, I'm not even sure he'd win.

 

I hate Froch more like anyone here, but nobody at 168 lbs punishes him. The cunt is hard as fuck and is very unorthodox. In fact if Bute wins, it would be a close decision, and it would not be a brawl. Bute very rarely opens up, and it takes a lot to discourage Froch.

 

Couldn't have put it better myself. Not only that, but Bute LOST the first Andrade fight, regardless of what some corrupt referee had to say about how long ten seconds is.

Bute has fought absolutely NO-ONE, yet he has been annoited King because he has managed to stay out of the way of every single live threat at 168. What a joke.

MTF :shit:

 

Except he isn't. Froch will beat Abraham. It still makes me laugh how underrated he is on here. I bet he will still get no credit when he beats AA.

 

He won't.

 

No. It is the fact that he came so close to losing, and then reversed the process in the rematch, that impresses me. He will have manners from the first fight and showed no small mettle by adjusting and taking the re.

And Pavlik is no Andrade in terms of the ability to take punishment and keep coming remorselessly forward.

 

Who anointed him "KING"??

He doesn't have 6 points from 2 decisions in a busted tournament fighting at home like a deranged feral goat. That's a true King!! THIS IS OAKLAND!

 

Actually AA is the one who's being underrated. After the Dirrell loss, everybody has him written off. The thing is, Froch doesnt have the same tools as Dirrell to outbox AA with. He doesnt have Dirrell's speed, skills, reflexes, or legs. He's gonna be a hittable target for Abraham, and he's gonna enguage AA. And anybody at 168 that Abe can hit, he can take out. And take out Froch he will.

 

:laughing:

MTF

 

:kidcool: Billy "Goat" Ward.

Now if he had red hair and pale skin and lived in a house that had wheels, I could see Shane Meadows getting involved.

 

They have similar fights with similar results in their primes. Roy and Leonard both had a better chance for a nice ko ending, but both also had the chance to give us multiple rounds of safely outclassing their opponents...like Ward.

 

Roy & Leonard in thier primes woulda never let a bum like Green see past 5.

 

www.boxrec.com says otherwise

 

Abraham gets outboxed by everybody. His whole gameplan is based around losing rounds and waiting for the opponent to tire and succumb to a late surge. He is banking on what you are saying. I am saying Frochs toughness is totally underrated on here. He will take AAs best and return fire, just you watch, he's too stupid to wilt.

 

Not quite. He waits for them to make mistakes. Usually this occurs when they are tired and usually this is when the fight has advanced beyond the mid-way point.

His KO of Miranda in the RE. came in the 4th, his KO of Ikeke when he won the title came in the 5th.

His plan is predicated on waiting for a mistake, not waiting for mistakes which necessarily come later or through exhaustion.

 

If you have any doubts that the circa 95-96 Roy wouldnt destroy Green, then you must be a Ward nuthugger of the highest order.

Merqui Sosa was a much better fighter then Green.

Plain and simple.... Billy Goat boring Ward just does not have the fight ending pop that Jones, and Leonard had.

 

He doesn't have the gears they did. He is one paced and very good at it, but is not the sort of guy who just changes up and gets the other guy out of there.

 

That's great but Miranda is shite. The fact is he tends to give away early rounds against the top guys before coming on strong late, he is deceptively fast and hits hard but I still think his whole gameplan is fucking dumb. Froch will win this.