Rios Vs Khan

This thread, BTW, is a classic example of exactly why fighters and promoters are so desperate to match carefully and preserve '0's for so long. Every loss is a disaster and every loser is a complete schmuck. It's crazy. If you fight guys of equal level to you on a regular basis, as Khan has done for the last three years, you will likely win a few, lose a few. If you fight no-one and hide at home fighting has-beens or mandatory chumps (yes, I'm talking about Lucian fucking Bute here), you are magically transported to the top of the tree.

It is infuriating.

MTF :shit:

 

Hindsight

Who was calling Peterson "equal" to Khan? Certainly not Khan or his fans... Khan is supposed to be "special" according to the hype, he's supposed to be a "P4P" guy... P4P guys don't lose to Peterson, they don't barely survive Maidana... The guys saying Khan sucks NOW are the same ones who have been saying it for three years

 

You're dreaming... those guys SUCK... Paulie, LOL... what puncher failed to kick the dogshit out of that faggot? Gatti may as well be Antonio Cervantes compared to that chick, you're nuts

I'm the biggest Gatti detractor on here, I hate the guy... But Maidana is a fucking punching bag, Paulie is a girl, and Kotelnik is a nobody... quit talking nonsense... Manfredy beat the hell out of Gatti, he didn't barely survive him... Khan has more HYPE than Manfredy, he's not any better as a fighter and again it's a lightweight, so yeah he's probably losing to three goddamn junior welterweights, X... way to compare... p4p, forget it, those guys are nothing special, certainly no more "special" than that jackass Gatti

 

I do agree that Amir could win 10-2 on Ward, all he has to do is run around

 

You're right. Paulie and Kotelnik arent nearly as good as "Mighty" Ivan Robinson.:wack:

I fail to see how Gatti would have beaten Malignaggi. Paulie is the better boxer, and has a good enough chin to take Gatti's power.

Kotelnik is very solid techincally (unlike Gatti), can block punches (unlike Gatti), and is a straight/accurate puncher (unlike Gatti). Kotelnik would take Gatti to school badly.

And Maidana would have kicked the shit outta Gatti. It would end in a brutal stoppage. Even a washed up Morales is better than Gatti.

You and Ike call Maidana trash to shit on Khan. Granted, Maidana is nothing special. He's certainly beatable, especially if you have world class skills. Which Gatti did NOT. At best, Gatti knocks Maidana down. But Chino gets up, and clubs the living shit outta that wife beating drunk.

 

I called Maidana trash long before he ever fought Khan, X... check the threads leading up to that fight... he's garbage

Malinaggi was terrible, X, he ran around and that is about it, he lost in one-sided fashion to every top guy he faced in his career, same as Gatti... he was decidedly second tier, just like Gatti, just like Robinson... he had some box office because he was a filthy guido with a big mouth and faggot trunks, so he got on TV and got some paydays he didn't really deserve against fighters who did not need to fight him, he's the same level as Gatti... As for Kotelnik, I have no idea what you find so special about him, he is an ordinary boxer who punches like a girl... As for the Morales comment, come on now:laugh11:

 

Gatti would KILL Maidana, you're on crack if you think otherwise.

Malignaggi would have a decent chance of outboxing Gatti.

Khan would beat both Gatti and Ward. He'd run like hell to do it, but he'd probably last 12 and get the D.

 

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Come on. He'd at least get a C-

 

The Morales that lost to Maidana would have outboxed Gatti in a 7-5ish fight IMO.

Kotelnik isnt a big puncher, but he's a sharp puncher. He could hurt Gatti with his accuracy, and bust him up.

PLEASE explain to me how Gatti beats Maidana? First off, he's not knocking him out. Gatti at 140 is NOT as big a puncher as Ortiz, and Vic couldnt keep Maidana down (btw.... Ortzi would kick the shit outta Gatti), and Gatti isnt a good enough boxer to outbox Maidana for very long. Say what you want about Maidana, but he FORCES guys into wars. And against Gatti, forcing a war wouldnt be that hard.

Maidana stops Gatti late. Maidana's stamina, and relentlessness would be the differance. Gatti would put Maidana on the deck once, maybe even twice. But Maidana would keep rising, keep coming forward, and keep clubbing Gatti in the face.

And no, Maidana isnt Julian Jackson in the power department. But he's still VERY heavy handed. Heavy handed enough that as many times as Gatti gets nailed, eventually he'd find himself on his back.

Maidana would have whupped Gatti's ass. Theres absolutely no doubt in my mind about it.

And while we're on the subject of brawlers...... Rios would have beaten Gatti within an inch of his life.

Gatti fuckin SUCKED.

And Malignaggi is a better fighter than Ivan Robinson was. Period! Robinson fuckin sucked too. Do you think Paulie would get his ass kicked by Pito Cardona, and get SHUT OUT by Manfredy? I sure as hell dont.

I'm not even 100% sure if Ivan Robinson would have beat Kevin Mitchell.

Shit, I'd pick a prime Juan Diaz to beat the hell outta Robinson. And you KNOW how I feel about the baby heffer.

 

Peterson was ranked in the top ten by nearly every credible source prior to that fight. No-one is saying he is a world beater, but you are making it sound like Khan lost to a complete and utter scrub. He lost a very tight fight to a top ten ranked contender which ultimately turned on a pair of point deductions.

I appreciate that this is a very good result for you, Hut and the rest of the athletics-haters, but you are going waaaaay over the top here.

MTF

 

Normally I'm the one making this point, so in principle I agree with you totally. But as far as Khan goes I have no principles.:: Plus, as cdogg says, sometimes a loss really does 'expose' (and I hate that term) a guy as being heinously overrated by proper boxing fans (rather than a media hype machine) and this is one of those uncommon times.

 

I can't hate on Khan, he makes for quite a few entertaining fights due to his frailties and strengths. So what if he's not on the level of Floyd or Pacquaio, or even Donaire maybe...they guy is fighting consistently fighting contenders who are at his level, we used to hate Hatton for consistently not doing same

 

Needless to say, I agree with Hut.

If Khan had just lost to Bradley, I wouldn't be saying anything other than "See, I told you guys Bradley would win".

But he just lost to Peterson. Peterson who got dominated by Bradley, and was also being dominated by the legendary Victory Ortiz before Vic started his nutjob routine again and basically stopped fighting.

Peterson isn't good at world level, he just isn't. He's not a scrub either, in fact he's a capable enough, workmanlike fighter, but he is not good at this level by any stretch.

And on saturday he basically did a poor man's impersonation of a pressure fighter/infighter.

Sorry it's not like he just got beaten up by Pacquiao or Floyd, he lost to Peterdude, this fight was supposed to be a gimme.

It just shows how lacking Khan is at the top level, to be honest, he's not even close to being as good as advertised, it's as simple as that.

 

I like that he's prepared to fight the best, and ironically I actually enjoy his fights. They can be very fun, the Maidana fight and this one made for good entertainment.

Me, Hut, cdogg etc don't like his style, the fact he is basically a mindless boxbot, and I think many of us don't like how overrated he has become, and the silly amount of hype he gets.

 

Around here, where there are apparently loads of boxing fans, Khan was in no way, shape or form overrated prior to this fight. Only Slice and Jimmy did that, and they can't help it, because Amir is British and they are patriots :: After those two, I am probably Khan's biggest supporter around here and I have said for years that he has awful footwork, questionable punch resistance (although there is a growing body of evidence to suggest that it has improved a lot since his 135 days) and little in the way of punching power or technique.

Out of about thirty people who post regularly here, no more than five even liked Khan before this fight. How can he have been overrated? Because HBO blew smoke up his ass? Who gives a shit?

MTF

 

I'll probably get slaughtered here, but Khan lost because Peterson, stylewise, is all wrong for him. He comes forward with abandon and throws a lot of punches. Khan is a sucker for a pressure fighter: always has been.

MTF

 

Which is the reason that Brandon Rios would hospitalize him.

Peterson is not even a great pressure fighter. But because Khan is so CLUELESS on fighting inside, you don't have to be great at that to get to him.

A rematch with Khan and Peterson will be close. Of course count on home cooking in Great Britain to make sure Khan walks away with a W any way, shape, or form.

 

I see it between the two.......Peterson, is more agile, stringier, physical freak, retaining good strength despite his bean-man build, with his speed and agility allowing him to get inside in the first place.

Rios is built to do more damage on the inside....but can he get inside as easily? :dunno:

Peterson wasn't being asked to get inside vs Timmy La Testa, he was being asked to keep Timmy on the outside. Different scenes.

Against Khan, he was tall enough and long enough to box on the outside for a bit, and still good enough to get inside and mix it.

There's no guarantee that Rios does as good a job, never mind betters it.

 

Maybe. Though Rios isn't much either: he took an age to deal with Murray who is, lets be fair, fucking shite.

MTF

 

Peterson doesn't usually fight like that though. Which shows just HOW much of a sucker for pressure Khan is.

 

That's the thing though feebs, Peterson is not generally a pressure fighter at all, in fact he can often be pretty negative.

Have you seen his fights against Timmy and Ortiz? He doesn't generally even throw much, pretty far from "coming forward with abandon".

He's usually too tentative for his own good, it shows partly how easy it is to get inside Khan, and partly that he has no real power. As long as you don't mind taking the odd shoeshine flurry, you really have nothing to worry about getting in on Khan, you're not going to get KTFO or badly hurt, put it that way.

Like I said, Peterson basically did an impression of a mediocre pressure fighter and that was just about enough to beat Khan.

 

I really think it's unfair to conclude from Saturday's fight simply that Khan isn't that good, and that Peterson's no better than a workhorse.

Consider that Khan has wins over:

Judah
Madaina (barely)
Malignaggi
Kotelnik
Barrera (for what it's worth)

It's clear from the fight Khan has many flaws, and that HBO, among others, has been caught severely over-rating him.

But to turn around and conclude that a win over him doesn't count for much now? And make that the story of the fight? When just a week ago there were rumblings about his chances against Pacquiao and PBF? It's simply not fair.

 

If anyone thought that he had a vaguely realistic chance against Pacquiao or Floyd, that shows how overrated he was.

He's not a scrub, I mean I've said before, his sheer range and handspeed (along with decent heart and stamina) can go a long way, especially in this boxing climate.

We're just saying that Saturday shows just how limited he is, and how overrated he was too.

As someone else said, I think at this point even his hardcore fans like Slice and Jimmy realise he's not great.

 

Peterson doesn't look like the most self-confident guy either. His trainer had to practically beat him into winning. His trainer worked him harder than Khan did. He seems to have a hint of the Michael Moorers about him. Unfortunately, Doctor Teddy Spengler is bogged down on the Eastern Front as we speak, engaging in Shitz-Krieg with the 5th Povetkins, he's not available to motivate this boy.

As for some fans in Britain, they don't even seem to know who the fuck Peterson is.

http://sportinglife.aol.co.uk/boxing/news/article/22889/7370321/khan-can-have-rematch-peterson

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One thing's for sure - Peterson needs to do something to try to generate more power on his shots. It might be as simple as not loading up as much, and throwing more combinations.

Khan obviously can't fight for shit on the inside.

It's difficult to imagine, even if Khan does manage to win the rematch, that he'll have much success at 147, where he will lack the height and strength advantage he's enjoyed at 140. My guess is this could be the end of the line for Khan.

 

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Jesus christ, that's just absurd.

 

We all look alike .

 

This is what we are dealing with. Half-assed nonsense.

The fact that the guy has a heavyweights chest and there is somebody behind him with a "team mitchell" hat....just never dawned on them it seems.

 

I've never thought Khan was that good and I have always felt tht he was a protected fighter.

The one major PERCEIVED gamble they took was against Maidana. And that was against a guy who despite having some good power, was more or less unskilled. And it was a gamble that was taken because GB had felt that under Freddy Roach, Khan had become a much better fighter and had tightened up his game. The gamble paid off but BARELY. Leave it to Khan's supporters, and they'll say "Khan is still improving, he's only going to get better, and he showed a ton of heart."

Of those opponents, the only RISK you can say they took was Maidana because victories guys like Barrera(Too small and old), Kotelnik, Malignaggi, Salita, McCloskey, and Judah do NOT warrant the ridiculous hype he was getting in some circles prior to his loss to Peterson. Especially when those victories were either shaky(Out on his feet against Maidana in the late rounds), or sloppy (McCloskey fight).

Peterson was supposed to be a soft touch. At least if he was anything close to the hype surrounding him, then Peterson should have been a walk in the park... Afterall, the same Timothy Bradley whom Khan has continued to talk shit about as if he was a whole class above him, DOMINATED Peterson and hurt him more than Khan did.

I do think Khan did somewhat an excellent job of selling himself, though. He had Golden Boy and HBO behind him, plus we all know how he loves to spout off to the media about who he can beat, and how all the guys at 140 were "scared" of him, plus his Twitter threats....

Have to admit it, the little fucker had alot of the boxing world convinced that he was right up there with Mayweather and Pacquiao. He deserves credit for that.

Once Khan retires, he might have a talent for being a promoter. He sure can talk himself up so I'm sure he could talk well for another fighter.