RJ vs Taylor in June?

Which of my points are not true. Did he or did he not ko the much smaller guys Ouma/Spinks. Does Taylor have a variety of punches in aresenal? Does he have excellent defense. Hell he's still getting hit by Pavliks jab. And last but not least does he or does he not get fatigued in fights? I mean he claimed that he punched himself out in the second round of the first fight and in the rematch he was extremely tired going down the stretch. All that spells a severe ass kicking. Roy will walk him down and will beat his ass like he stole something. I'll Holla 5000

 

First off, Pavlik is worlds better than Roy offensively right now. How can he not be? Roy hardly throws any punches while Pavlik constantly backs guys up and throws close to 100 punches a round.

Secondly, I'm sorry to tell you this but the only reason Tito won ANY rounds against Roy is because Roy just didn't do anything. When a guy just stands there and lets you throw punches of course you're going to look good. Fact is he still lost and Roy was VERY inactive in that fight. It may as well have been the Roy from Tarver 3 in there. That's how little he did.

Taylor beats Tito and Roy, and it won't be hard for him.

 

You gotta be kidding. Pavliks offense is not light years better then Roy's at this current time. The only thing that Pavlik does better then Roy is throw more punches. That's it!. Wait he may have a better jab. He's not faster then Roy, he doesn't throw the different variety of punches that Roy has. He can't throw the lead hook or rt hands like Roy. Roy will beat the shit outta Taylor and I will be more then happy to take all of u guys money if and when this fight takes place. I'll Holla 5000

 

I don't care how good Roy WAS, he's not the same Roy and he does't throw enough punches anymore.

The fact the he let Tito win any rounds after being inactive or nearly 3 years is shameful.

 

Word

 

Roy is SHOT. Absolutely SHOT.

I tell you this. No-one, and I mean NO-ONE, would have seriously been advocating Jones to win this fight prior to the Tito fight. Everyone accepted that he was done.

Suddenly, he shows up and produces a half decent performance against a retired, old, shot Felix Trinidad in what was basically a glorified exhibition bout and suddenly he's a force at the top of 160-168 again? How the hell does this work out?

I couldn't give a flying fuck if he had smashed Tito into the next galaxy last time out, because Tito is also (if not more so) SHOT. Why are people taking anything seriously from that fight?

If this fight goes ahead, you can count me in on a wager, because I am as sure as eggs is eggs that THIS Roy cannot beat any opponent anywhere near Taylor's level. A PRIME Roy would have toyed with Jermain, no doubt, but a younger, supposedly better Roy than this got KTFO by Glen Johnson and Antonio Tarver. Let's not forget simple things such as this. These are called facts. :dunno:

IMO, Taylor would walk right through him.

 

But When has Taylor EVER "Walked Right Through" ANYBODY???:dunno: ...

Do the Names "Cory Spinks" & "Kassim Ouma" Mean ANYTHING 2 U, as it Pertains to this Matchup???...


REED:dunno:

 

Your premise is faulty.

The Tito fight surprised very few and Roy didn't look any better than expected. For a lot of people, he looked a little worse. Tito, otoh, did do better than expected.

 

They are irrelevant.

Jones IMO is a top 5 All Time great. I was a fan all the way back from the early-mid 90's. Incredible fighter, especially at 168, where he essentially played with good fighters and made them look dumb time after time after time.

But he is now old. And he is now shot. It happens. It's nature- no fighter can go on and on forever. IMO, Roy is something like 4/5 years past truly elite level, and maybe more past his absolute best.

A PRIME Roy would have mangled Jermain Taylor. Absolutely mangled him. But this RJJ is nowhere near his best, whilst Taylor is still almost certainly the 2nd best MW in the world. Taylor may never have been an all time great, he still was and is an ELITE Middleweight right NOW. Roy was an elite middleweight like, 15 years ago? :dunno:

I say again- prior to the Tito exhibition, NO ONE would have even considered this fight except as a one-sided Mythical Match-up.

Are you trying to say that Roy would win this fight if it happens?

 

My premise is that THIS Roy Jones Junior cannot beat THIS Jermain Taylor.

Do you disagree with this?

 

whoever thinks Roy loses to Taylor is on crack

Roy wins and wins EASY

most likely Stopping Jermain GAYLOR

I mean.. are you guys SERIOUS??

Pavlik throws a lot.. so what??? Roy hits harder, is MUCH FASTER even now and would put a BEATING on Gaylor!!

 

Your premise is that the Roy/Tito fight changed minds about a Taylor fight. That's bogus. If anything, the fight that changed perception was the fight that just happened--pavlik taylor 2.

And yes, I disagree. Roy has just beaten a very good Hanshaw and a decent Tito and he looked pretty solid doing it. Unlike most people in this thread, to me it is a pretty difficult fight to predict and that's why I don't think it will happen.

 

easy to predict brother Mike..

Roy will whup him like he's his daddy

 

As Usual, U Articulate your Points VERY WELL, Mr. FEEBLES...

REED even AGREES w/MOST of what U Say about Roy Jones...But this Matchup ISN'T about what Roy has LEFT, it's about what Taylor NEVER Possessed...

Taylor ISN'T Athletic Enough, Isn't STRONG Enough, Isn't POWERFUL Enough & Doesn't have the Boxing INTELLECT to Beat Roy Jones...Not Even a DIMINISHED Version of a Roy Jones...

Jermain Taylor was Consistently BACKED UP by a 5'8, 154lb Guy Named Kassim Ouma...Another 5'8,CHINNY, Natural Welterweight (Named Cory Spinks) Took Taylor's BEST Shots for 12 Rounds & was NEVER Hurt...REED Doesn't See HOW these Guys can B Irrelevant when Assessing Roy vs Taylor...

Taylor LACKS the Skillset, STAMINA & Consistent AGGRESSION to Beat Roy Jones...



REED

 

You tell me that the Tito fight had nothing to do with changing perceptions, then you claim Roy beat 'a decent Tito looking solid doing it' and use this in support of your argument for Jones...

I wonder sometimes, I really do... :doh: ::

 

I'd love to see Roy fight someone active with a pulse. Then we would be able to more accurately assess his shotness.

I'm pretty sure Roy isn't beating an active top fighter like Jermain right now. Jermain right now is better than Roy is. Not was, IS.

 

It didn't change my perception of how good Roy is.

I expected him to look solid in crushing a shot Tito. Instead, he looked solid in beating a decent version of Tito. This = no change in my perception.

If the fight comes off, bet your ass off on Taylor and tell everyone how stupid they were while taking their money after Taylor wins or tell everyone how it was impossible to know how much Roy had left after his recent performances when Roy wins. Spin it however you like.

 

This, clearly, is where we disagree. IMO, this is EXACTLY what this match-up will depend upon.

I'm not pretending that Taylor is some kind of 'legend' of any kind. No-one sensible would. But he is an ELITE MW right now, and a former undisputed, linear MW champion. You don't get to be that by losing to near 40 year old former greats. :nono:

Roy has lost a lot of his reflexes, much of his power and his stamina is now suspect. IMO, his heart (namely that he doesn't really need to go to war with anyone anymore) might also be an issue, as well as his chin and punch resistance, which are quite clearly markedly declined.

As a FAN, it was awful to see the great RJJ being smashed senseless by Glencoffe Johnson, a man who went life and death three times with a man a SLIGHTLY past prime Jones KTFO in five rounds (Clinton Woods).

That's the level of decline to be considered here, and no win over Hanshaw or a three-year retired Tito Trinidad will mask this in my eyes.

Now then, to a match-up with Taylor. Yes, Taylor was poor against Ouma and Spinks, but honestly, I still don't see how that is particularly relevant. Roy doesn't 'back up' people up behind jabs and pressure anyway- he relies on power, speed and reflexes to hit without being hit. Sort of like Floyd Mayweather but even better. Also, Roy doesn't look CHINNY- he looks decidedly GLASS JAWED now. He seems to have little or no punch resistance. And Taylor can still hit when the target is open to be hit, ala the first Pavlik fight.

Perhaps I should retract 'walk through'. That might have been a tad strong. But Taylor NOW would beat Roy NOW, either by late, accumulative stoppage or by wide UD IMO.

 

cool fight:clap:

 

I like this fight for Jermain. If he doesn't win it really doesn't kill him careerwise. But if he does win, he's back in the mix in many people's eyes. I do however agree with REED. Taylor will be exposed badly even at this stage in Roy's career. I see this fight playing out very similarly to the Hanshaw fight.

 

Sorry, I lost count after the 999,999,999th time...

 

You meant .999,999,999th right?

 

Right on the money, bro.

:bears:

 

I think it really matters if it is at 168 or 175.

 

Aww, thanks man! I was just starting to doubt myself as well... ::

 

Here's the thing that people fail to realize or acknowledge for whatever reason is this. Taylor could not ko Kasim Ouma a chinny 154lber. Not to mention Ouma walked him down throughout the fight and took the fight to him. Then he went on to fight Spinks who was ko'd by Judah and many thought that he lost that fight. Now we move on to the Pavlik fight and yes he fought better and was able to knock Pavlik down however however however however however we do know that Taylor will get tired and he only knows how to throw 2 punches. That's it. He only knows how to throw a jab and throw a rt hand. I'm sorry but even an over the hill Roy Jones Jr will be able to defend against that. Not to mention Roy will be faster then Taylor, will have better foot speed and will be able to hit his ass. Who knows how Taylor is gonna react when Roy touches him. Roy is gonna be the biggest, fastest, most talented fighter he's ever faced. I am so fuken sure that Roy dominates this fight that I will place any type of bet on this fight. What's suprising to me is that it feels that Taylors people will be cashing him out. Let me say this when Roy dominates Taylor please I beg you guys to not come on here and say that Pavlik ruined Taylor and that Roy only beat a ruined fighter. Taylor is done! I'll Holla 5000

 

If you open your other eye, you'll see Hopkins (x2) and Winky on Jermain's resume. Of course it's easy to see it your way if you only look at 1/2 of the picture.

 

If this fight comes off bro then I'll be the first in line to place a bet with your good self...:clap:

 

So correct me if I'm wrong but isn't Roy faster then Hopkins and Wright and isn't he bigger then both Wright and Hopkins. And I can even say that he's more skilled then both as well. I'll Holla 5000

 

Easy ass bet. I'll Holla 5000