Ron Lipton Really Hates Arthur Mercante

What they did to Ron behind the scenes is a matter of record and would piss off anyone. When you have Steve Compton posting this trash aka Klompton who has not learned his lesson yet and a few Mercante junior jock worshipers, it doesn;t matter, what matters is he killed a boxer in the ring and does not deserve to referee.

Ron was always respectful to them and to everyone else first. Everything he said is true about them and the others. Its the same jealous and cowardly punks who post this libel that don't know anything about boxing. Mercante Junior is the pits, and thats that.
Lipton told the truth, As to the comments about him watching a fight after his mom died, Watch it pal,
be careful. He got a call at home his mother passed away the day before, watch the filth or pay the consequences. I also believe Ron had Mercante's wife and mother and perhaps Quo Vadimus mom as well.

I have some video links I'd like to post of brother Mercante for all you guys to see, but I really don't know how to post the videos themselves up so you folks can judge for yourselves.

Maybe Godfather can tell me how to do this since I think the rules don't allow posting links, some clarification please.

Thanks,

Karl

 

Links are fine Karl.

 

And I pictured you as a patties kind of guy.

 

steve compton would summon the spirit of harry greb and whip your sorry ass if you ever dared to tangle with him.

 

The thing that pissed me off the most was the commentating from HBO, and not Mercante.

In my eyes, they have lost any right to scream for a fight to be stopped, as they have done multiple times in the past. Regarding the Ref, I will defer to his judgement, but the HBO announcers, who have so many times in the past berated a fighter's corner for not stopping a fight, well, they've lost all credibility with me.

For the first time in a long time, I was wishing Larry Merchant was there, I think he'd have made the point about a corner and its responsibility for its fighter's safety.

There was NO FARKING WAY Foreman was going to do anything but absorb punishment as he limped around the ring, and the announcing team's praising of the fight being allowed to continue was a stunning reversal of what they have done in the past.

 

How about watching the threats in GD Stinger?

 

Stinger warns us all to "Watch the Filth" and then tells us that Lipton has "had" people's mothers.



I don't doubt that Hauser is an asshole, or that Lipton is a fundamentally decent guy, but Lipton needs to get on with things.

 

Take a look:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5vTjLYdTv3E

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CkpaKxO5rjA

 

Mercante Jr was the ref for Whitaker-Hurtado? Damn, I had forgotten that. He really let that one go on too long. Hurtado was half-dead after that.

 

Mercante did the right thing. I was 8 rows back covering the fight.

First off, it was the NYSAC official in Foreman's corner that initially stood up onto the steps to stop the fight. Mercante ordered him away. The corner of Foreman did not get up on the apron. Neither did his wife.

Secondly, the original rule behind throwing in the towel is a DQ because it is the corner obstructing the fight. Now, when the towel came flying in, Mercante was under the impression that it was that same official that threw it. Nowadays, the trainer gives it to the commission official to throw in. If you want to get uber technical with it, that counts as an outside obstruction and not one from any corner. This doesn't even include the fact that I learned later that the official can even refuse a towel coming in from the cornerman.

As far as letting the fight continue. I feel that is a difficult decision to make, and that he made the right one. He's known Yuri for years. He's known Cotto for years. He genuinely cares about these guys on a personal level. There is a trust between them. He trusted Yuri's desire to continue and Yuri trusted him to keep a close eye.

I think it was a good decision from one of the best refs in the sport.

That forum post linked in the initial post is wrong on many accounts. Merchant is well liked by boxers for letting them fight out of clinches and not jumping into the fray unnecessarily.

 

I haven't bothered to go through this thread post by post but I'm going to give my opinion on Mercante Jr. he was wrong.

I get he followed the rules stating the ref can stop the fight not the corner...he was correct in that. However, was once the ringisde official stepped up he overstepped his authority.

Furthermore, Foreman had almost 30 fights and didn't have double digit KO's. This wasn't Corrales vs Casamayor I when Corrales had that massive cut and just before the end of the round he'd badly hurt Casamayor. Corrales was a murderous puncher and had the guy hurt...I could se ethe ref allowing him one more round based on that...

Foreman wasn't a puncher and his entire game up until that point was based on using his legs. He wasn't hurting Cotto and it was clear Cotto was the stronger guy. Allowing Foreman to stand and fight Cotto was/is akin to tying the legs of a deer 20 feet in front of a hunter then expecting the deer to evade bullets. Mercante was wrong...he should have heeded the advise of the corner.

What i saw was a sad attempt to "control" the situation and make himself bigger than the event.

Let's say Foreman collected himself after the long layoff, Cotto catches a cramp and couldn't continue or is compromised...is that fair to Cotto? It's not. It's not like the Fan Man incident where there was an outside influence that stopped the flow ofthe fight.

Mercante is/was wrong.

 

Arben...

You're making my point in a way...if he knew Foreman and Cotto from way back he clearly knows one guy will never hurt the other...makes no sense to send Foreman back in lame without the use of his best defense.

Power is driven by the legs...a guy with two legs can't hurt the other..what's he expected to do on one bad one?

 

You had five days to come up with that response. He had about five seconds to respond to what was going on.

Yuri has probably never lost a round past the eighth round and always comes on late. Nobody knew what the injury was, but Foreman was willing to continue three times after going down, showing that he was more than willing to continue and that his injury would pass. Not to mention the fact that he probably landed his best shots while limping.

He gave the kid a chance to continue. That is all.

 

Ron Lipton, if you are reading this and have an issue with what I wrote, email me at ireallyamjoeking@yahoo.com

 

Excellent. ::

Don't know anything about Karl's issues with Klompton, but I've always liked the guy a lot.

 

Is this directed at me? Just in case....

1. My post was made five minutes after yours and represents my first post in this thread.

2. First line in my post said I hadn't read previous posts.


:notallthere:

 

Whatever the actual rules are regarding a towell being thrown in, we all know what they should be...it should result in a TKO loss so long as the referee agrees to stop the fight. The ref should not be obligated to stop a fight when he thinks a fighter is capably fighting. If the corner insists that the fight be stopped, they get up on the ring apron or come into the ring. At that point, the fight should be over. I think the correct response in almost all cases at that point is to call it a TKO even if it is technically a dq. A winning fighter should not get penalized by only being awarded a dq win. We all would agree that a ko win is more impressive on a fighter's resume.

Similarly, when a fight is stopped in the corner between rounds what is the difference? Ever seen a ref insist that a fight continue? I can't think of any times. And if the ref insists that a fight continue and the cornermen don't get out of the ring should that be a dq or a tko? I think it is clear in all of these situations that a tko is the correct ruling.

 

Of course a ref can refuse a towel. Mickey Vann did it in the Katsidis/Earl fight. If I remember correctly Earl scored a flash knockdown, seconds after his corner had thrown in the towel, but it didn´t help much as he was stopped in the next round.

Nevertheless Foreman was hobbling around on one leg. Did Mercante even take Foreman to a doctor or is the inability to stand properly less dangerous than a little blood that trickles into one of your eyes. I have seen people with one eye play basketball, football or run. Never seen a guy with one leg do that. I don´t see Mercante´s point at all.

 

It was in regards to your response to Mercante's decision.

 

I agree that a towel should be a TKO. I'm just explaining the initial rules that made Mercante's decision legal.

If a fight is stopped in the corner, after the trainer gets an up close look at his fighter an has an opportunity to speak to him, I'm not sure any ref would stop it. That's a very different scenario.

 

So let me get this straight...

You were AT the fight and didn't have five days (only five minutes) to think about Mercante's decision like the rest of us?

Were you in a coma with Gary Coleman?



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"only the referee can stop the fight".

He might agree with others desire to stop it. But he can also disagree.

Too often, we feel that a fight is being stopped because the corner want it to. Not so. It is being stopped because the referee agrees with the corner.

When the referee does not agree, we get what you had here with Yurine Foreman.

 

reading trouble?

 

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Yeah i don't think he is gettin your post.
He is sayin you had 5 days Musze to come up that response on why or why not he should let the fight go, Mercante had 5 seconds with all the chaos goin on to decide whether or not to let the fight go, he wasn't taking about himself, he was talkin about the ref...

 

And in that five seconds, he made a decision that most experts agree was a proper one.

 

I thought it was a great decision, let Yuri fight, he was landin some good counter shots, and who knows how well cotto's beard is after those 2 beatings, it was a good decision, and Yuri went out like a warrior.

 

Mercante Jr. is a Joke!

Hey Fellas...

The bottom line, which we talked about all week on the show, Mercante did a BAD job.

First of all, a ref should do that...ref. Not tell fighters they are doing great, or man, you are showing heart, suck it up, etc., etc., etc!

As for the towel...rule in NYS, or no rule, when a towel is thrown in, who else do you think is throwing it? Joey from White Plains who is sitting in the third row? Come on man, when a towel is thrown in the ring, EVERY time I have seen it happen, has come from the corner who is trying to SAVE their fighter. That is exactly what Foreman's corner was trying to do...save him from himself. That is their job. A Fighter, especailly one with the heart that Yuri showed that night, NEEDS to be saved from himself. Mercante decided that HE was either bigger than the safety of Forman, or bigger than the fight itself.
He F--uped...no doubt about it. BTW...why should a ref tell fighters to go toe to toe? Yuri Foreman certainly does not want to hear a ref tell him that!

As for Smoger, he is a good ref. At least to me.

As for Ron Lipton.....I would bet that Ron was a bit stressed when he wrote his post with his loss, but the fact is, Ron not only knows boxing, he was a damm good referee. I know Ron personally. He is a very good trainer and knows the game from top to bottom. I may not know a man that values the sport of boxing as much as Ron. There are only a handful of people out there who consider boxing their life. I know I am one of those people and have been for 27 years. Ron has been in the game longer than that. I too have had issues with the NYSAC, but then again, a lot of others have too. Just ask Joey Gamache, or Johnny Bos. They (the NYSAC) too think they are above boxing at times. Maybe that's why they hired Mercante!

I will tell you this as well....speaking of the NYSAC, did you notice (not sure if you could see it on TV or not) that their primary concern during that fight was to ensure that the corners did not yell out instructions? That was the extent of what they felt was important. Not that 30 people who piled into the ring before the end of the round, which should have ended the fight right there, but instead, focused on that during the fight. Their "henchmen" who they called "commission officials" policed that in both corners. There were no less than TWO in each corner. Did you happen to notice how many were in the ring during the "mob scene"? None.

The bottom line: Most of my listeners agree, Mecante is BAD. Feel free to check out the show. We have a link to Wednesday's show on FightBeat!

Bye Bye Mercante Jr!

BC

www.TalkinBoxing.com

 

Lame.