RONNIE SHIELDS COMMENTS ON LEAVING JUAN DIAZ

I am sure it is a matter of loyalty to Savannah.
Juan walked into his gym at 8 years old and that is the only gym he has ever trained at.
Evander is from Atlanta and has had lots of trainers and lots of gyms as you know REED, and while he is a good enough fella, it is Juan's show as Evander has only been there for a couple of years .
Evander leases his time at the gym and then leaves for the day, while the gym is really Juan's second home, and Juan is the one that put it on the boxing map and grew up there, so he has the bloodline and is the V.I.P. as Houston and the gym are his home.
I am sure Savannah was shocked and perhaps somewhat hurt when Ronnie didn't go with Juan, and reacted the way he sometimes reacts to certain situations from what I have seen of him.
Savannah is Juan's second father, and probably knows him as good as or even better than his real dad, so it is all about loyalty and family to him.

 

Yeah, but he had no compunctions or scruples about screwing G over, and he admitted to it in the interview Musze posted.

Everyone has self-interest....and given Shields' success with Juan, it would have been in Juan's best interest to talk directly with Ronnie and for the Diaz camp to let Shields work with him until the 10 days or so before the fight; when all strategy and tactics are done anyway....the assistants can take over; and they retain Shields as Juan's trainer post-Holyfield.

I don't know what Havannah's motivation was - it certainly could have been paternal instinct and loyalty - but it was short-sighted and not in the long-term best interest of his charge, necessarily.

Peace.

 

If Ronnie goes that far back with Savannah and has helped him out, where's his loyalty to Ronnie when Ronnie's looking out for HIS best interest?

Like REED said, cats tend to get gREEDy and bossy when money's involved.

 

makes sense.

i remember when juan was a prospect, shields had mentioned that he's not training him for $ or based on his talent level but because of his great personality and work ethic.

but as a trainer who's been long in this biz, shields gotta do what he's gotta do. plus, he's known holyfield for years.

did anyone shit on freddie roach for training oscar while leaving manny w/ justin fortune?

but then again, that caused roach and fortune to split up.

 

Bingo.

 

Fortune and Roach split because Freddy wanted a cut of Pac's training fees despite not actually training Pac.

I'd side with Fortune on this one...

Roach wasn't in the gym with Manny and simply showed up the night of the fight. He didn't deserve a full share (if any) for training duties for Manny's last fight.

Of course, Arum didn't help things by sending a check directly to Fortune.

With that said, despite Freddie wanted Pac to train in L.A., now that Pac has gone back to the Phillipines, you see Freddies changed his tune real quick and he's on his way to train with Manny there.

 

I'm not talking about alphabet belts, or Ring belts, or lineage.

In this case, there was as clear a picture as can be these days of who the man was at 135, and that was Corrales.

Casamayor beat him.

Just a simple observation.

I'm arguing, in a sense, what you are but on the flipside...the argument you have above should also be applied to anyone who wants to call Diaz "the man" at 135.

Peace.

 

I will say this:
The people I have talked to in Houston regarding this are of the opinion that Ronnie has made the mistake, long term as far as finances are concerned and support Mr. Savannah in this instance as Juan is going to be on top for a long time.

 

This is kind of what I thought. Shields is a free man and can do as he wants, but does anyone have any thought that Evander is going to be fighting longer than Juan from this point forward?

Shields might get 2 possibly 3 more fights from Evander compared to the next 20 with Juan.

The fact is, there will be many trainers beating down Juan's door for the oppurtunity, believe that

 

Diaz isn't the only fighter in the world believe it or not.

Plus, I just don't see any mega paydays in his immediate future. The only big payday at 135 is a Pacquiao fight IF Manny moves to 135. Even with that said, Pac's the draw and Diaz doesn't have much leverage.

Let's say Evander wins (God I hope not) and he gets a unification match with Wlad...that payday alone would trump paydays for the next five or six Diaz fights.

 

Did I ever say he was the only fighter? So you really don't think trainers would want to get in Juan's camp?:notallthere: Not sure why, but hey, you got your opinions.

Good point on the Evander situation. If he did get the shot against Wlad it would trump Juan's payday's for about 5 fights. But do you think Juan only fights 5 more times? I know you can answer with "anything can happen" and "one never knows", but c'mon. be real.

 

You have to look at it like this...

Guaranteed money vs possible money. I don't know what Evander will make for his next fight but even if it's $1 million, it'll still be more than what Shields would make from Diaz.

Mind you, I'm sure Evander doesn't pay the standard 10%, I'm sure he'd pay Shields a flat fee but it'll still be more than what he'd get from Diaz. That much is obvious by his choosing Evander in the first place.

Shields is betting on the most money in the short term.

 

didnt jameel mccline get a million for fighting wladimir?

i'd be surprised if holyfield got anything less than a million.

 

so your saying that Casamayor will continue to be the man at 135 even if he fights nobody and Juan cleans up the division?::

sorry but coming of the Corrales win I put Casamayor as the man to beat. But Juan beating Freitas for a belt and if he beats Julio Diaz for his belt to me Juan will be the man at 135.

In the mean time Casamayor has done nothing. Last time I checked he was trying to make a fight at 140 with Paulie so it doesn't even look like he's trying anything at 135.

I don't care if CAsa has the ring belt. He still has to go out there and fight meaningful fights to remain the champion.

that's what I don't like about the ring. A guy can stay on the shelf and still consider himself the man to beat while others are making the fights that people wanna see at that weight.

CAsamayor should fire his manager for not landing any meaningful fights all this time.

 

and what big money fights does diaz have on the horizon?

 

The Houston Boxing Scene SHOULD B Wondering WHY Ronnie was Given an ULTIMATUM @ All...

Of Course Juan Provides More Looooooooooooongterm SECURITY,but Again,WHY was Ronnie's Hand FORCED N the 1st Place???..


REED:dunno:

 

Diaz is very popular in the TX area, but we've yet to see him fill a stadium, or have a ppv fight. His career is not guaranteed. He'll step it up in his next fight against Julio, but I don't know if we can call that much of a step up, since both are on the same level. Shields had to make a business decision. Savanah was wrong when he didn't let Shields talk with Diaz, seemed like a decision taken with the heart, not the brain. and I don't think Shields' departure will affect much Juan's performance, believe it or not. His trainer is replaceable, and a change in the corner don't seem like a bad idea afterall, given the stage he is in right now in terms of career development.

 

agREED...

REED doesn't Like Savannah's Role N this Fallout,but REED Doesn't See Shields' Departure HURTING Diaz N the Ring...

Juan IS what he Is as a Fighter...& Anything Shields has Worked on him w/ISN'T Rocket Science...

Get em N Shape,Emphasize Cutting the Ring Off,Bobing,Weaving & Head Movement & Let Juan do his Thing...He's NOT the Type of Fighter that's Gonna B REinvented...



REED

 

Ronnie not being there when Juan fights a switch hitter, rightie to leftie will bother him just a little bit imho.
He needs to be training for a s.paw since he has never fought one since Rey Sanchez in the am's.

 

I don't think Julio is effective from the southpaw stance, and IMO he is just going to take that much more of a beating if he tries that.
I didn't think he could beat Juan when we saw him in San Antonio in 2004,, much less now as much as Juan has improved over the last several years.

 

No, what I said is that as of NOW, that is the state of the division.

I am simply illustrating why no one can hold anyone - either Diaz or Casamayor - as the ONE man in the division.

But if anyone has a claim to it most, at this point, it's Casamayor.

Remember - Corrales beat Freitas at 135 when Freitas was still undefeated - and ACTIVE. He also beat Campbell at LWT, drew with Rayimkulov, gave Castillo a very close fight, etc.

Again, I'm not one to focus much on this anymore; but in the lightweight case, Corrales' standing was as clear as can be in any division these days considering just how difficult it's become to have a consensus "champ" in any division nowadays.

Yes, Diaz continuing to remain active and partially unifying the title will solidify his claim....especially if Casa continues to remain inactive or fights subpar opposition.

And yes, Casa should have fired DeCubas AGES ago.

Peace.

 

I'm not sure Ronnie planned to leave Diaz permanently when he made his decision to go with Evander for his title fight....

Hence why Savannah's intervention/posturing has become such an issue.

Peace.