Round By Round: Floyd Mayweather vs. Juan Manuel Marquez

I was going to reply to the post as a whole, then I saw your last paragraph. I changed my mind.

 

i dont get the whole mayweather jr was afraid of mosley thing. was he afraid mosley would punch him right there on live television? mosley aint exactly known for that type of behavior.

 

Which is why it's appropriate you said "a" welterweight...as in one.

Most welterweights don't come in at 142...for most that's a relaxed junior welterweight limit, not a welterweight one....and certainly most aren't 148 on fight night.

Saturday night was basically the equivalent of a swimmer dipping his toe in the water.

 

I really don't think it matters what "most" welterweights do. The welterweight limit is 147 and fighters who compete in that division regularly weight below this. It's not like this is the first time in history a welterweight has weighed 142 for christs sake.

Some people like to make mountains out of flecks of dirt.

 

Like Saturday night's fight?

 

It's completely true. Marquez was never hurt, aside from the flash knockdown, and didn't exactly take a huge amount of punishment.

1 pot shot at a time, without much meat on them, hardly constitutes "beating the shit out of".

Duran - Moore, that's someone beating the shit out of someone.

 

No doubt about it at all. The important thing is that Floyd is back and aesthetically at least, seems to be up to par.

 

Ok.

 

I hate Mayweather but you're right, having Floyd at or near his prime in boxing is way better than not having him at all. Boxing needs Mayweather, it cannot afford to lose a fighter of his caliber that early.

 

Welcome to boxing forums! :bears:

 

I agree that that is the likely scenario. Then Floyd can beat up Cotto next and retire again or go back to 140 to avoid a Mosley fight.

At any rate I can't criticize Floyd for this, it was a tuneup and he did what he had to do even if he cheated a bit by not making the contracted weight. To say those few lbs didn't make a difference as Tam is suggesting is ridiculous. Even Juan has stated the weight was a problem for him and if weight doesn't make a difference then why do they have weight classes, or why didn't Hatton get chased back to 140 by Collazo, or why did Manny insist on fighting Cotto or Mosley at a catch weight?

Floyd did his job, some people are being overly critical of him while others are being underly critical of him. The truth is somewhere in the middle and that truth is although he used his weight to his advantage the truth is he still did his job and dominated one of the best. In truth I don't think the weight would have mattered as JMM's style is made for Floyd's strengths. Fact is PBF still cheated the weight though. Maybe Cotto will do the same when he faces Pacquiao and then my friends we'll have what's known as, a trend.

 

OK, so you have no argument to the contrary ::

 

Agreed on that. Floyd's one of the best, and it left a gap when he left it...even though he'd telegraphed (taking at least a hiatus from the sport) for a while.

Hopefully the break was helpful and he got out of it, and the fight, what he wanted.

The fight, itself, wasn't that meaningful except in what Mayweather was got out of it going forward (and what Marquez got out of it financially).

 

Mosley is desperate. I don't think it was a bad move, I think it was an appropriate move. The guy needs a big payday. Being a dick is worth trying.

 

Yes it does and no it cannot.

 

Even though I know you're going to pretend you never saw this so you can keep repeating this delusional lie of yours I'm going to post this to you anyway.

This is what he said before the Vargas fight:

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/box...dan&id=2512043


Mosley (right) said he won't fight Mayweather this year if he beats Vargas (left). (AP Photo/Nick Ut)


If pound-for-pound king Floyd Mayweather Jr. is waiting to see if Shane Mosley defeats Fernando Vargas in their July 15 junior middleweight rematch before deciding whom to fight in the fall, he shouldn't bother.

Mosley this week shot down the notion that he could be next for Mayweather, who intends to fight Nov. 4 on HBO PPV, even though he has no opponent at the moment.

"They can stop thinking about that because it won't happen," Mosley said during a conference call with reporters to discuss the fight with Vargas. "They can come to this fight and check it out, but that won't happen in November. It will probably happen sometime next year. I am not going to have a fight after this until next year. I won't fight again until 2007."

Oscar De La Hoya was Mayweather's first choice, but he recently announced he would not fight until at least May 2007. Now Mosley has slammed the door on a fall fight with Mayweather, increasing the pressure on him to fight the one top opponent who has already agreed to terms: welterweight titlist Antonio Margarito.

Mosley's take on what Mayweather should do:

"Basically, go fight Margarito," he said. "Go fight Margarito -- then we can fight the winner."

Mosley said he is moving back down to welterweight after the Vargas fight and wants time to get reacclimated to the division he once ruled before targeting Mayweather.

"I'm pretty sure that Floyd would be interested in it, but I have to take some time to get to 147," Mosley said. "I have to take a little break after two fights with basically a 160 pounder [Vargas]. We are going to relax and see where we go from here, but definitely, the next fight will be at welterweight."

Promoter Bob Arum has said repeatedly he has offered Mayweather a career-best $8 million purse (plus a healthy upside of potential pay-per-view profits) to fight Margarito Oct. 7 in Las Vegas, and that he wasn't asking for options on future Mayweather fights. Mayweather, however, has shown little interest in the fight, leading many to say he is ducking Margarito.

 

http://sports.espn.go.com/sports/boxing/news/story?id=2498164

"You know Antonio Margarito is out there waiting to fight Floyd," said Mosley, who earned about $4 million plus a percentage of pay-per-view profits. "Those guys should fight each other and we can fight next year. The only thing I know is my tooth is a little lose and I might have to go to the dentist."

 

What is the point of you posting this?

 

Exactly my thoughts.

 

to further prove that shane turned down a fight with floyd

 

Mayweather looked good. He won more with speed, skills, and brains than size, however of course the size advantage helped. Marquez was quicker at his more natural division and also his punches have more of an effect on 130-135 lb. fighters than welterweights.

It was a solid win for someone 21 months off but I won't get too excited. His next fight better be against someone who has proven he can perform at a high level at the WW division. I figure he's waiting to see if Pacquiao beats Cotto. A Mayweather-Pacquiao fight will probably create enough $$ to make Mayweather and Arum put aside their differences, I don't know if a fight with Cotto would do that. If Cotto wins, maybe he fights Mosley. There's no other big money fights out there.

If he doesn't fight any of the above I'll probably start rooting against him.

 

How does that prove that? The article I posted was before the Vargas fight where Shane stated he wouldn't fight again that year. The crap you posted happened afterwards. He may not have said the exact same thing but he did mention both times that Floyd could fight Margarito because Shane already had planned on going on vacation with his family.

So please tell me again how you proved Shane turned down a fight with Floyd when Floyd nor anyone else never even offered Shane a fight with Floyd. A fucking announcer asked Shane if he wanted the fight and that's not the same as being offered a fight now is it?

 

Bro its common knowledge that when Floyd wanted the fight Shane was ducking and dodging...Everyone knows this shit.

 

Everyone who is a Floyd groupie loves to say that shit. The article I posted proves otherwise. If you already stated you wouldn't fight again in that year, and nobody offered you a fight in the first place, how then can you have ducked a fight? Man you Fraud groupies are some delusional fucks. Look if you don't have facts to back up the bullshit you say then do me a favor and don't say it.