Round By Round: Joan Guzman vs. Humberto Soto

why would you say that?

The guy is a superb boxer and athlete. He also trades alot for a boxer. He does a little bit of everything.

ONly thing is he tends to clown a little too much sometimes but not to the point where he gets careless.

he is an awesome fighter:cheer:

 

What about Marquez? What's he fighting for these day's?

 

I heard he made more than a million for the Barrera fight. But somehow ARum wants to pay him what he would pay David Diaz.:dunno:

Maybe pacquiao can fight Soto. He is promoted by Arum and is coming of a loss. I think he fits the requirements. ::

 

a rematch with Pacquiao and 130 lb. supremacy.

What I find funny these days, is Pacquiao fans (and his handlers) still criticize Marquez for a very bad decision his trainer/manager made nearly two years ago in regards to the rematch, while justifying Arum's endless stream of excuses for not putting together the one fight that matters most at 130.

 

not a bad round by round from Jake....:stir::bears:


got up at 10:35pm..they were still showing Cotto vs. Mosley..

 

Ok, I rewatched the fight and scored it WITHOUT trying to debate rounds as they're happening in a thread... ::

I also found two errors on my card courtesy of my macro (yes, I do keep them on a spreadsheet, I'm anal that way :: ). One I had already caught on here, the other was a round I gave to Soto which was Guzman's.

So....I had it 115-113 Guzman.

He won, no doubt.

I definitely believe, however, that it was closer than most are making it out to be.

Soto to me is very legit; so it's a very good win for Joan....and he did it without the fatigue being too apparent (though every time Soto pressed him, Guzman didn't do as well).

I thought Soto would throw caution and style out the window and go for broke, like he did in the early rounds (and in the 11th & 12th, where it was really apparent Guzman was slowing - don't let the clowning fool you).

But he didn't....he froze up and was waiting too long for long stretches. Tried to think too much and let those opportunities go by.

He was in there with a junior middleweight, to boot.

Joan for his part fought a very good fight, as always. Slick, controlled, great timing and counters, great speed and footwork and defense.

Too bad we'll likely never see him vs. Pac or Marquez.

Soto could still provide great fights, however, with any of those guys.

Peace.

 

I have no issues with 115-113. I had it 116-112, but could probably be sold on giving Soto the final round (even though I thought Guzman's defense was far better than Soto's attempted offense).

I still think anyone claiming Soto won (which is absurd - even Arum admits Guzman won the fight) gives way too much credit to fighters coming forward, mistaking it as aggression, much less effective aggression. Because for the most part, Soto was anything but effective.

Also, just because Guzman doesn't have a particularly pleasing style, doens't mean he's not winning rounds (again, to those insisting Soto won). While the fight left a lot to be desired on the entertainment front, I was impressed in Guzman's ability to make Soto look like a plodding amateur, which is saying something considering how impressive Soto's been in his 5-year, 20+ fight win streak

But he is getting to the point where he needs to return to putting something behind his punches, because with each fight, he's putting himslef in a position where he's forced to take less and less should a major fight ever present itself. I say that as a fan, as a writer and as his friend. He needs to find a way to fight from 1-12.

 

Like Baron said...Guzman is painfully boring these days. Why wouldn't you say that?

And he used to be a very good watch at 122.

 

The only thing he lacks is the power. You said it he moved up 2 divisions so he is not as good as finisher as he was at 122. That happens with most fighters.

Instead he uses his talent which is his skills. However he his not a clincher nor a runner. With all the boxing he did he still stood his ground and traded with Soto. He was just faster on the exchanges and got the best of him.

For all the hype Soto got about his power and pressure it sure didn't seem significant against Guzman. Neither guy hurt each other.

Only thing I would rip Guzman is the showboating but it's irrelevant to what he does the majority of the fight.

 

Rocky Juarez came off a loss and Marquez fought him :dunno:

 

watching the fight now....first 8 rounds easy to score....6-2 Guzman....

 

What Pacquiao fans? I don't recall any here making excuses for what arums doing :dunno:

 

BOTH these guys are good enough....that they could beat competetive/win against either Marquez or Pacquiao..

 

god damn Guzman that some nappy headed kid...fix that hair up..or something...

 

I was speaking of Pac fans in general. But yes, on here, when talks of Pac-JMM II resurface and Pac catches flak for not pursuing the rematch, his fans chime in with two year old news, as if to absolve Pac of any wrongdoing.

 

Juarez won his last fight (on Mayweather-GLH undercard), six months prior to the Marquez fight. and in fact won two in a row after the second Barrera fight. The last time Marquez fought a guy directly coming off of a loss was 4 1/2 years ago (Manuel Medina).

The last time Manny fought a guy coming off a loss... was his last fight (and 4th time in last six fights)

 

Agreed.

I've thought Guzman could give ANYONE trouble at 130 - and has a very good chance to beat them all.

I did think Soto had enough to edge him in a very tight fight....but nope.

I don't think he's as boring/unwatcheable as he's made out to be....there is alot of talent there.

The problem, to me, is more the clowning, which eclipses what he's actually doing.

That, and fighting more consistently throughout....but that may never go away given his stamina and constant weight issues.

Peace.

 

that's the part that has people classifying him as unwatchable (though I'm with you in disagreeing with such perception). But the clowning, stamina, inconsistency (within his fights) and all that - that's what I was alluding to before in saying he needs to rediscover a way to fight from 1-12. Stamina issues contributes the most to why he does what he does in the second half of most of his recent fights.

 

Guzman is a real artist in the game of hitting and not getting hit. He dished out some major blows while avoiding almost all the real damaging shots by Soto. of course he lost some rounds because of his inactivity but saying he is unwatchable means you're not a boxing fan. Oh yeah he has a better defense than Jaidon Codrington and doesn't punch that hard - i can't watch this... :doh:

 

Not by choice though. Barrios was hurt and pulled out. The whole card got cancelled and Juarez was the only available fighter left.

Let's not even compare it. Pacquiao won fighter of the year last year with all his oponents coming of losses.::

 

it's silly to consider a talented boxer like Guzman unwatchable.

To me unwatchable is someone like Ruiz who stinks out a fight by clinching. Or what Casamayor did against Santa Cruz.

Guzman outboxed Soto with ease. Maybe if Soto was better and made the fight more competitive some of you would have been happy. Too bad:dunno:

 

Plus he is Mexican. Juarez is in the mix too he is coming off a loss also.

 

anyone who gave soto more than 3 or 4 rounds is kidding themselves.

Ironic that the same guy who rewarded Cotto, giving him 3 of the last four while on his bike, disregards what Guzman did with movement the very same way.

Guzman was CLEARLY the better fighter, clearly the winner, much moreso than either guy in the mosley cotto fight.

 

I think that was his daughter right? :dunno:

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Yeah, it was. Leave that poor girl alone. ::