Sal Sanchez vs. Pacquiao @126

Discussion in 'Mythical Matchups' started by Double L, Apr 28, 2009.

  1. Tam Tam

    Tam Tam "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    If you have to make a post to correct yourself, you're not really helping the topic move forward.
     
  2. BoxFan

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    I corrected the one sentence everything else stands.
    Now go cut your hair tam tam...
     
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    Ugotabe Kidding WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

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    To appear smart it is easier to make sarcastic remarks than actually produce something useful don't you think?:bears:


    Manny has fought his best battles in higher weight divisions. His strengths come to play better against heavier guys. That is why I think Sanchez might be the favorite in this one even though he would have never beaten a guy like Ricky Hatton
     
  4. cdogg187

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    Sanchez is simply a better fighter than Morales and he took far less flush shots

    When has Pacquiao seen anything like Sanchez?

    Marquez? He's Sanchez-esque but not anywhere near as stout in the chin department

    I dont think anybody says Pac has NO chance, but there isnt anything that leads me to believe he is a favorite here
     
  5. Double L

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    So because Holyfield won a split decision against an aging Qawi in his 12th fight, he didn't improve as a professional as he gained more and more experience?

    If the number of fights he had was immaterial, why don't Olympic champions fight for a title immediately? And why did Hopkins lose his debut. And why did Sanchez himself lose a fight early in his career?

    Are you saying that a Nelson with 30 fights and ample time to train for Sanchez would not have performed even better? Or that by the time Nelson had 30 fights he wasn't a better fighter than he was when he only had 14?

    So now experience in the ring is immaterial? That's just a ridiculous statement to make, and your logic to support it, the fact that Holyfield won the Jr. Heavyweight belt after 12 fights, is an even more ridiculous.
     
  6. broadwayjoe

    broadwayjoe Undisputed Champion

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    No. What is ridiculous is counting the number of fights a fighter has and using that as the sole barometer of how good the fighter is...which is what you are trying to do. Fighters progress differently....some take longer than others. So your trying to disparage Nelson for only having 13 fights is silly because he was able to give Sanchez possibly the most diificult title fight of his career.

    Holyfield won the Cruiserweight title at a point in his career (if we count and make most important the number of fights he had) when many other fighters would still be buried in under cards fighting in 6 or 8 round fights. The same goes for Nelson. He didn't win his title fight, but he put quite a scare into one of the best fighters in the world.

    So by your reasoning...Holyfield should have waited to challenge for a world title until he was "more experienced" even though it was clear he was one of the (if not THE) best fighters in his division at that time. And he proved that by beating Qawi for the title and then dominating the division until moving up to heavy...where he would continue his success by winning the title there. When Holy fought Qawi....Qawi had a significant advantage in experience but that didn't allow him to keep his title against the much less experienced Holyfield.

    I never said fighters can't or don't improve as the gain experience, so please do not try to put words in my mouth. Of COURSE fighters gain experience as their careers progress. It would be impossible for them not to, because every fight is a new experience. But...some fighters are more advanced than others and Nelson and Holyfield are examples of that.

    And not all fighters improve significantly, or at all as their careers progress. Some fighters regress despite the added experience of more fights.

    Think of the NFL. Some quarterbacks come straight out of college ready to start in the NFL. Some quarterbacks require a few years as a backup to be prepared properly for the Pros. And some others blossom even later in their careers. And some get rushed into starting jobs before they are ready and then fail.

    Same goes for boxers. Some are world class early in their pro careers and others need more time to become world class. Others start out with promise but then regress despite the experience they gain from additional fights.

    So...determining the worth of a figher strictly by using the number of years and fights a fighter has as a pro under his belt doesn't really work.
     
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  7. cdogg187

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    great post, but do you think he will comprehend it?

    I don't think so:lol:
     
  8. broadwayjoe

    broadwayjoe Undisputed Champion

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    Doubtful. My guess is that he will disregard what I wrote and just repeat what he said the first time or he will just Jawsquote what I had to say so it works better for his arguement.
     
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