SCARED for GGG???

Golovkin Hasnt got hit much so far. He is also blowing guys out usually where as hopkins was going 12 rounds

 

Hopkins opponents were waaaaaay better than the bum-of-the-month GGG dispatches with gusto.

 

Not really....Hopkins comp till Holmes/Trinidad was shitty...but GGG won't have anywhere near the success Hopkins had in his late 30's. Hopkins is/was a master in the ring...clinching..moving..faking an injury...low blows...defense...GGG is destroying guys...eventually age will catch up to him and he won't be able to be as effective and he will get brutalize...even against the caliber of opponent he's been fighting.

 

in that case maybe he should fight in another 3 months...that seems to be his pattern..and all fights in the USA against american opponents....probably should focus on fighting black guys so all those white people can start hyping him...ha ha...i know that sounds bad but true..he he

 

At what point in Bernard's career are you speaking of?

 

Uuuuuuh, Did You SEE GGG's Last Fight???...He Got Hit QUITE a Bit...Sure, Monroe Punches like a Middle School Female, but he was LANDING Flush Shots...Was it Geale that Actually Landed AS GGG Drilled him w/the Kill Shot???...

By Virtue of his Style, Being Willing to TAKE a Shot to Land 1, GGG Gets HIT in Every Fight...He's Rarely Reckless, yet BECAUSE he's Primarily Aggressive, Quite Naturally he's GOING to Get Hit More than a BernardESQUE Fighter Typically Would...

There's Literally NATHAN Suggesting GGG Will Be the SAME Fighter in 3-5 Years, Nor is there Really a Historical Precedent for It...How Many AGGRESSIVE Fighters Remain in the Lb for Lb Mix into their Mid to Late 30's???...Pacquiao???...He's Also LOST 3 of his Last 6 Bouts, 1 of them by VIOLENT Ass KO...








REED:dunno:

 

Roy Jones was Bernard's 24th Opponent...GGG is 33 w/33 Bouts...By the Time Bernard was 33, he'd Already Faced Roy, Glen Johnson and John David Jackson...




REED:dunno:

 

That's the BUSINESS Side of Boxing, Bro...

On the Club Show Circuit, REED Had a Late 30's Italian Guy, Rocky Wannabe, Down to Fighting in the Black & Yellow Trunks Rocky Wore in the RE w/Apollo and Ringwalking to the "Rocky" Theme Song..

Motherfucker Got PUMMELED in Every Single Sparring Session REED Ever Saw him In, but Dude was Undeniably BALLSY...And Motherfucker Would SELL More Tickets than Any Other Fighter on the Cards REED Had him On...Most Fighters Would Be LUCKY to Sell 10-20 Tickets, yet Dude was Automatic for 250-500...

Before Looooooooong, REED PURPOSELY Looked for Scrubby Brothers for his "Rent-a-Rocky" to Beat Up On...Why, Because those 250-500 People that Showed Up JUST to See Him were Comprised of 85-90% Whites & they Looooooooved Watching him Beat Up on Brothers...Like Don King, REED had NOfuckingQUALMS about Leading Hapless Brothers Into a Losing Situation, for the Sake of the Show...

Give the Fans What they Want...




REED:mj:

 

Getting hit here and there ain't the same as having wars like Pacquiao was in frequently. Golovkin has had exactly zero grueling fights so far

 

...damn forgot about all of those...YEAH Hopkins resume shits on GGG...

 

Jackson was old and he lost to jones jr. Johnson was a good win, better than any golovkin has had, but his career surged years later at 68-75

 

I was addressing the "waaaaaay better than the bum-of-the-month GGG dispatches with gusto" comment. Hopkins fought a lot of garbage too, both young and old. It wasn't his fault, the middleweight division simply didn't provide good opposition. Nobody is accusing Hopkins of avoiding people.

When did he "cross over" though? When he fought a former welterweight in Trinidad. Tito didn't avoid Hopkins because he wasn't a "true middleweight". I realize it was a tournament, but Tito knew what he was getting into. He didn't beat Joppy and try to claim he was the legit champ. If Cotto beat Martinez, said it was one and done it would be a different story. His next fight is in the same division against a guy GGG demolished.

Imagine De La Hoya after beating Sturm campaigned at middleweight with his next fight against Hakkar or Daniels.

 

It's Doubtful GGG EVER Faces a Fighter the Caliber of the Young Roy Jones Bernard Lost To...Not Sure HOW that Loss Can Be Held AGAINST Him???...




REED:mj:

 

REED GETS Why GGG Lovers Bring Up Bernard, but Even in a DIRECT Comparison, GGG's Resume Comes Up SHORT...

Age, Number of Fights, However You Want to Slice it, Bernard Hopkins, a Guy who Admittedly DID NOT Face the Greatest of Competition @ 160, STILL Faced Better Comp than GGG Ever has, to Date...w/Considerably LESS Hype, No Less...Even his Fight w/Roy was on an HBO Undercard to a Riddick Bowe Bout...

But What Irks REED is How Many of GGG's Younger Contemporaries have Clearly BETTER Resumes...Canelo, Crawford, Kovalev, Broner, Bradley, Garcia, Khan & a Shitload of Others...Hell, it's Arguable Keith Thurman has a Better Resume, Having Beating Robert Guerrero Recently...@ the Rate GGG's Going, Thurman will CLEARY have a Better Resume by this Time Next Year & a PROSPECT Like Errol Spence Could Conceivably Have a Better Resume within 2 Years...

As FUNNY as that Sounds, NO GGG Fans have the Slightest Problem w/it and Worse, Continue to Heap Unwarranted, Unjustifiable HYPE Upon Him???...Contrary to Popular Belief, there IS an Alternative to Beating Up Monroe Jr's, While Waiting for Uninterested Dance Partners to Invite You to Prom...





REED:mj:

 

Tito was Also a Bigger, Taller, Stronger, More Powerful Man that Cotto...And when the Middleweight Tournament was Devised, it was w/the Idea of Tito Coming Out on Top & Challenging Roy Jones for Lb for Lb Supremacy...

When Cotto Moved Up to '60, he was Viewed as a Big Money NAME Martinez Could Capitalize On...No More, No Less...Upsetting Martinez DOESN'T Obligate Cotto to Facing GGG, Especially Considering his TRUE Size & the Fact he's NEVER Proclaimed Himself "The Best Middleweight in the World", to REED's Knowledge...






REED:mj:

 

ha ha ha...i enjoyed that story....so for the sake of hyping GGG to the american public I think that impressive win against Monroe was a good start.....now in his next fight why not fight Daniel Jacobs the other WBA champ LOL? Dude is a cancer survivor so he brings a good story and he is from Brooklyn so he can bring a following.....a fight at Madison Square Garden should improve GGG profile some.....and the after that he can fight Jr. Middleweight Demetrius Andrade who is a bigger name then Jacobs...Andrade has been asking to fight GGG on PPV or something so why not? venue at Atlantic city....triple GGG fighting European fighters aint helping his value IMO

 

i dont hold it against him. i just dont consider that loss some feather in his cap to separate his average resume at 160 by that point in his career from golovkins current resume.

 

:: @ andrade on ppv. he is most certainly not a bigger name than jacobs, although he may prove to be a better fighter. jacobs is with al haymon, that automatically eliminates him from fighting on HBO. i wouldnt mind seeing either fight. andrade is a bit green and wont appease those who say golovkin has been facing smaller guys.

 

Neil is right that Golovkin has had not one tough fight, and in the grand scheme of things, taken almost no punishment.

The thing is, there is a LOT more to a pressure fighter aging than that.

In some cases it's more to do with natural aging than taking punishment.

Duran and Pacquiao are both very tough men, and in Duran's case, didn't even take much punishment due to his excellent defense. Yet they were not the same fighters in their mid 30's.

And I think it simply had to do with the loss of youthful energy and fire, that is a big component of both their styles.

Hopefully Golovkin lasts well, as he does have a more measured, less youthful style than those 2. But in all likelyhood, he probably won't be as good 3 years from now, age 36, Pacquiao's current age.

 

I love GGG, really I'm a big fan, but not to sound like REED...... I think you guys are beginning to overrate his talent.

Pac is one thing, but Duran was a truly EXCEPTIONAL EXPECTIONAL talent. Gennady Golovkin...... is NOT as talented as Roberto Duran.

GGG's style is predicated on his firepower and pressure, and historically presssure fighters diminish with age, REGARDLESS of the amount of punishment they take.

Duran was far more of a crafty counter puncher in his later years, as opposed to the attacking killer he was as a young man.

 

Exactly the same for Pacquiao. He is more of a tame boxer/counter puncher now, rather than the hyper aggressive beast he was. That's exactly why some of you don't seem to understand why it was a different fight 5 years ago.

Sure Floyd was 5 years younger too, but Pacquiao was literally a different fighter.

 

As for your overall post X, I think you're kind of missing the point ::

I'm not really comparing Gaybox to those 2 per se, I'm just saying pressure fighters can simply age naturally, nothing to do with taking punishment.

 

I admit I was wrong.

I misread your post.

Not gonna lie, read in the middle of a project at work, so I skimmed through saw the name Duran and thought he was being compared .

 

Yeah, but he was the same guy who went life and death with JMM & lost to Erik Morales. Somehow he's going to beat a 33 year old Floyd in Dream Scenario #291910241.. come on. Pac fans with all their fantasies of situations where he FOR SURE would win remind me of teenagers talking about situations in which they would've/could've/should've scored

 

not for $24.95? ha ha

though he is a an undefeated american champ with a decorated amateur career....i know this fight could be promoted to the mass public and get some attention....i mean your right....he is a jr. middle and it won't appease the actual hardcore boxing public but i think to the general public they won't care.....what they want to see is some white russian guy destroy an undefeated american boxer

 

The singlemost important factor in the aging of a fighter {where the fighter does not routinely take life-threatening beatings} is the frequency and intensity of the training camps.

Terry Norris never used to take long, drawn out beatings. When he lost it was a clean, clear, fast destruction.

His sparring sessions on the other hand were drawn out affairs.......apparently the stuff of legend.

A good way to shorten your career.

 

Actually, he has a decent chance, I think. If he fights an undefeated Ward, I would say he's got an opponent at the same caliber. There are some other possibles, but that's the main one.

 

Ward is fighting Paul Smith next. Not sure if its the hairdresser or the boxer.

Like it makes a difference ::

Go Ward!!

 

Apparently GGG vs Froch is in the works, it is being seriously discussed. It should happen in summer on Wembley

 

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Like Wembley was some vast open plain or veld ::