See how full of shit Calzaghe is? He's delusional.

Sure he has. He beat Lacy and Lacy was a decent sized favorite. :dunno: Granted, lacy was overrated but at the time Calzaghe's win over him was certainly big. Ottke never had a fight like that.

 

going into that fight lacy has never had a career defining fight, im not sure calzaghe can consider lacy his career defining fight

 

Unification where Calzaghe was a 2-1 underdog. Sure it was.

 

I don't think Ottke beat anyone better than Lacy, except maybe Mitchell who was beaten by both.

I'd take Veit, Starie or Eubank over Echols or Brewer or the Mundine that Ottke beat, too.

Am I forgetting anyone?

 

I cant remember Calzaghe getting out that far, but he was definitely the dog.

 

He did. There was never a +200 for Calzaghe but Lacy did hit -200 at some places.

 

Yeah and Calzaghe was the favourite at a number of Euopean bookies as well.

 

Not by fight time he wasn't. When Calzaghe and lacy fought Calzaghe was a 2-1 underdog.

 

I don't really remember fight time odds, as I was helping my brother in law out, out of town...but before I went, Calzaghe was a clear favourite in the majority of UK books I looked at.

 

Calzaghe started a very slight favorite. Fight time, he was a very decent underdog. Lacy -200.

 

:dunno: Trinidad was favourite for both the Hopkins and Wright fights. Sometimes odds are more of a reflection of the betting public, rather than fight fans and industry critics.

 

Don't forget Calzaghe's win over Byron Mitchell.

 

he was dropped by a short punch, got right back up and hurt mitchell who didnt really respond.

i thought it was a shit stoppage, but no one really complained.

ottke vs. mitchell on the other hand was an absolute stinker that went for 12 rounds with ottke getting another close decision.

 

Calzaghe hasn't beaten anyone yet. Still. When a faded Chris Eubank and a never-was Jeff Lacy are the two best names on your resume, your resume sucks. Period. Lacy was/is hot trash. Anyone who saw him struggle against the likes of Syd Vanderpool could tell you that. Bottom line, Calzaghe needs a WHOLE lot more than that.

Kessler would be a good name to add to his dossier and I expect him to whip Mikkel when he faces him. Which begs the question - who the hell has Mikkel Kessler beaten to deserve such props? Markus Beyer? How did Calzaghe manage to avoid facing all of the great fighters at 160 and 175 all these years? And now he's calling them out...if they're willing to fly to Europe of course. Please. His act is lame.

 

:bears:

the guy's a joke.

 

kessler's game so far has appeared to be flawless. beyer's a pretty hard guy to beat and kessler did it w/ EASE. he also beat mundine and looked good doing so, which is another tough task.

bottom line, this guy rarely loses rounds and it would be a HUGE win if calzaghe beats him.

the whole who did this guy ever beat argument can be applied to just about any fighter not named bernard hopkins. people still shit on roy's competition to this day yet i still consider him one of the best fighters ever.

should he win, calzaghe deserves his props as probably the best 168 pounder ever.

 

list some guys who arent.

 

I agree that Kessler travelling to Mundine's hometown, (Mundine a notorious stinker with fast hands and an illegal "shoulder roll defence system").. and winning the decision under the heavily biased conditions and nursing a back injury, was a courageous move, and an impressive feit, to have escaped with victory.

 

guys who aren't jokes? uh, Jermaine Taylor. he fights Hopkins two times in a row, takes on Wright, and now he's taking on Pavlik.

ODH. takes on Tito, then Mosley, moves up and fights Hopkins, then turns around and fights Fraud Mayweather.

or, Hopkins. fights all titlists in his division - Joppy, Holmes, Tito - fights Eastman, Echols when he was still a threat, then he fights Taylor, Tarver and Wright.

Barrera. fights JMM, Pacquiao, Morales, Juarez, Hamed.

Pacquiao. fights JMM, Pacquiao, Morales, Larios.

Calzaghe just isn't in these guys' leagues. even if he were, he refuses to prove it so he may as well not be (and why should we give him the benefit of the doubt - " duh, i have no doubt he'd have beaten Ottke." oh ok. no need to unify.

Joe acts like he deserves a nobel peace prize because after 10 years he finally agreed to face ONE opponent the public wanted him to fight and not some hand-picked scrub from Warren (Lacy).

the guy's a joke.

 

taylor arguably went 0-3 vs. hopkins and wright. shit, more than a few thought he lost to stinks.

shit, if he's arguably 0-4 against elite fighters (with one being a former welterweight), who else does he have on his resume?

kessler is more proven than pavlik and calzaghe vs. kessler is a more signficant fight than taylor-pavlik.

chris eubank was in his mid 30s and although he was past his prime, he fought competitively against steve collins and even after losing to calzaghe, he moved up to crusier and got robbed vs. carl thompson.

it's funny how you say lacy was a scrub, yet i wonder if you were one of those who picked him to knock calzaghe's head off.

here's my question, what will you say if calzaghe beats kessler? would you then finally admit that he's an elite fighter?

 

The best super middle ever? That's quite an accomplishment. LOL. FYI, Calzaghe could beat 20 more of these chumps and it still won't match Jones' victory over Toney.

Forgive me if I'm not jumping up and down because Kessler tore through ANTHONY MUNDINE. Kessler's got a nice fight game but, to quote Floyd, "he's straight up and down with no special effects." A decent win for Calzaghe but not one that moves him to the p4p category (he doesn't belong there IMO).

I'd like to see Joe take a risk. Maybe move up to 175 or something - you know, one of those things he promises to do but never gets around to. Maybe he can come to the States or something crazy like that. But hey? Why should he when we crown him king for beating JEFF LACY?

 

Yes, Taylor might've gone 0-3 against those guys but at least he FOUGHT them. Sh*t, he fought KASSIM OUMA as a tune-up . Calzaghe fights guys like Mario Veit. TWICE .

And I would say Calzaghe is elite if he beats Kessler. Let's say, I'd put him in the top 15-20. But his best wins would be over Kessler, Jeff Lacy and Chris Eubank. And you're bringing up Jermain Taylor's opposition? LOL.

 

i'd rate calzaghe #1 if he beats kessler. roy's win over toney was impressive only because he DOMINATED. but let's face it, toney came in out of shape and he's also one of the most inconsistent performers at a higher level.

take the toney win away, jones' resume sucks too.

i guess you dont think too highly of kessler. regardless, Calzaghe would've stopped both the professor and ike quartey in less than a round. ::

 

The Professor woulda put Calzaghe away in 6. Sh*t, he wouldn't even have to weigh over 135 .

Toney came in at at 168 not out of shape. How out of shape could he have been when he fought at 168 only 4 months earlier and looked absolutely masterful? Funny how he never looked that silly again (as he looked against Roy that night). Furthermore, you act like Toney having weight troubles is something new. How did he manage to go from weighing 226 a year before going DOWN to 190 and beating the snot out of Jirov. I suppose if he lost he woulda said losing the weight was difficult.

Bottom line, Toney always had weight issues. But only one guy beat his a**.
And you know something? You can't take away the Toney win from Jones' resume so what's the point of doing that? Roy took a risk - leaped up to 168 to fight the man considered one of the three best in the world. Calzaghe wouldn't even fight the overrated Lacy in the US .

 

calzaghe is a draw and a national figure. lacy was somewhat known here in the states, but not really.

toney was never embarrassed? did you see him vs. terry mcgroom? toney never won a significant fight since losing to roy until he finally started training again (w/ the help of roids) and beat jirov.

 

where have i said Lacy is a scrub? i didn't say that at all. i said he was the only fighter Slappy's faced in the last 10 years that was a perceived threat.

 

Can we stop dealing with speculation? Roids, he didn't train properly, etc.

Bottom line, Jones has Toney and Calzaghe has Lacy.

**Reads above sentence again**

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Double, don't sugarcoat it...Lacy was a scrub.

 

jones is jones, one of the best ever. i'm just trying to say that calzaghe is not a joke and that i would consider him the best if he beats kessler in nov.

 

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