Seeking a STR8 answer re Pac-PBF

Too long, bro

what do you think, I have a better than third grade reading comprehension??? SHEESH!... dumb it down for us, EINSTEIN

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Hector Camacho > Terry Norris > Vinny Paz > Pernell Whitaker

 

To summarize this thread for people that cant read fast...

We all seem to agree that PAC is a bitch ass hoe and Floyd would dominate him

 

Well it seems that to you LOK, this situation appears very clear.
Unfortunately for me, I do not possess your mastery of the self serving inference.

 

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1. 14 days was not the original demand, up to the fight was the original demand

2. Floyd's team offered 14 days as a compromise during the initial negotiations, Pacquiao said no. Negotiations then fell apart

3. After negotiations fell apart, Floyd said "we tried to reason with these guys and compromise, we offered them 14 days out and they said no. So fuck them, if they ever want to fight now, no more windows, it's up to the day of the fight."

4. 1 year later Pac and Arum agreed to the 14 day out window that Floyd had already taken off the table 1 year earlier, and Arum used that to claim "we've agreed to Floyd's testing demands." Arum is a lying sack of shit and he knows Pac's fans will swallow it because a) they want to believe the best of Pac, and b) most of them will never hear any different.

100% of the blame here goes to Pacquiao. Quit making excuses and take the goddamn tests and fight.

 

So Arum is a lying sack of shit.
Yeah, I've read that.

The thing is, that's the only thing I have read as a counter to Arum saying that all tests have been agreed to, & I've only read it here, by certain posters, on the messagage boards.

So in terms of what has/ hasn't been agreed to, I have read:

• Arum saying the tests are agreed to & there should no further problems in that area.

• People here saying Arum is a lying sack of shit.

• I've also seen a clip, where it's put to PBF very clearly, & he seems to evade the topic entirely.

I was kinda hoping with this thread for something more definitive than "Arum is a lying sack of shit", ( although, that certainly is a definitive sounding statement), as I've already read that one from posters here a few times.

For example, maybe somebody has read/ heard something that I haven't, regarding what has/ hasn't been agreed to.

NB:
I have no doubt that often Arum is a "lying sack of shit" & very possibly could be here. Just hoping for something beyond a bold assertion

Hope that makes it clear.

 

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I have seen the specific agreement to "14 days out" and I have seen Arum claim that they're willing to "agree to Floyd's testing" based on that.

I haven't seen Arum, Pac, or Roach ever say "we'll do testing up to a day before the fight."

 

Well that's interesting.
I think thatyou're saying that when Arum says that all tests have been agreed to, what he is really saying is we only agree to testing up to 14 days out.

I did a little google search on "Arum agrees to blood testing", & picked the first link that appeared:

http://www.boxingnews24.com/2011/07/bob-arum-agrees-to-random-blood-testing-for-pacquiao/


“We have agreed in the Pacquiao camp to “unlimitedâ€￾ random testing to be done by a responsible, neutral organization and we don’t believe the USADA is a neutral organization.â€￾

Now if by “unlimitedâ€￾, he means " only agree to testing up to 14 days out", well he's a lying sack of shit. But again, I've still not seen anything other than your post to suggest that.

Also, I would imagine that it would have occured to PBF to clarify that point when it was put directly to him, rather than to evade the subject altogether.

However, he does stipulate that the tests are not carried out by USADA, but by a neutral organization.
Maybe you think that is enough to suggest that he is a a lying sack of shit.

I'm not sure why he should distrust the USADA. But then again, I don't see why it should be a problem either way who does the testing as long as it's done.

So now we have:

An article saying that Arum's happy for “unlimited random testing" (providing that the tests are not carried out by USADA- seems strange, but hardly a deal breaker I would imagine).

You saying that what he really means is 14 days out. (which is really no more use to me than an assertion that that he is a a lying sack of shit)

A clip, where it's put to PBF very clearly, & he seems to evade the topic entirely.

So I have learned one more thing, (which I could have learned without this thread) & that is that Arum has put in that stipulation. Seems strange to me, but as I said, hardly a deal breaker.

 

You cannot make a serious thread about an universe of assumptions.

It's great that you picked up certain words and expressions and quotes on both sides to attempt to make your little argument but at the end of the day, it's just bullshit. Arum saying they agree to the testing when there is no negotiations at all means absolutely garbage. Interviews and articles are just that, a chance for this guy to throw out garbage to the fans and hope people like you actually buy it. The only thing we know for certain is that the fight was seriously negotiated once, both camps fell the fight was almost done but Pacquiao's camp rejected the fight based on the 14 day testing request which was absolutely bullshit (Specially considering how Arum conveniently already had the Clottey fight signed a few days later).

Until they actually negotiate the fight again we can all claim Floyd is ducking Manny and that Manny has agreed to all the testings or we can claim Manny is still avoiding the fight based on Floyd's claims but it doesn't mean anything at all.

And come on, Floyd evades every single topic that is not "Floyd is the greatest thing ever". Hardly a strong argument there.

 

You're wasting your breath man; hate, denial and delusion run pretty high around here.

 

"Unlimited" random testing means any amount of random testing, it doesn't speak to a cut off date at all.

I would defy you to produce a single link where Arum/Pac/Roach are quoted or shown to be agreeing to unlimited testing with no cut-off date. You won't be able to, because it doesn't exist.

 

So I'll try and simplify...

• I'm seeking clarification, (in the interests of having an informed opinion) about what has/ hasn't been agreed to re the drug testing issue.
• This is the information I have that seems to directly pertain to that. (My "Raw material", if you like- & more "raw material" would be good):

• An article from the internet saying that Arum's happy for "unlimited random testing" (providing that the tests are not carried out by USADA).

• A claim by a poster on a message board that what he really means is 14 days out.

• A claim by a poster on a message board that Arum is a lying sack of shit

• A clip, where it's put to PBF very clearly, & he seems to evade the topic entirely.

O.K. So that's the scope of this thread.


Now. It is entirely possible that this is pointless, but given the strong opinions expressed here, & the publicity surrounding the issue, I thought that there may be some more raw material out there directly pertaining to what has/ hasn't been agreed to re the drug testing issue.

Possibly possessed by the folks holding those strong opinions.

Also there are things that I find strange, & would expect others to also find strange:

• I find it strange, that given the directness of Arum's claim that there has been no (except for as far as I can tell unsupported opinions on message boards), counter claims, or as you suggest, no further negotiations (as far as I know).

• Furthermore, given the directness of Arum's claim, I find it strange that when that claim is put to PBF very clearly, & he seems to evade the topic entirely

Any feedback from our little community of boxing fans that directly pertain to what has/ hasn't been agreed to re the drug testing issue, or those couple of things that I find strange is what I'm after.

 

Not sure whether you maybe think that "no timeline limits" is somehow fundamentally different to "no cut-off date", or actually means 14 days prior in some way.

For me, this seems encouraging.
Also seems as though Floyd may be coming around.

http://m.yahoo.com/w/sports/home/ne...id=FvBsKC.Q2XOfrAr1ilNRpBcB&.intl=US&.lang=en


Floyd Mayweather is fighting Victor Ortiz this weekend, but just like with every other recent "Money" fight, the side story is if the veteran fighter will finally clash with Manny Pacquiao. And the answer has always been pertaining to the performance enhancing drug tests. We've heard that for two years, but after yesterday's discussions with both sides of the negotiation, the testing issue should dead and buried.

David Mayo reports that Bob Arum said that Pacman is good to go:

He said last week that his side "will accede to these tests, " with no timeline limits, and allow the United States Anti-Doping Agency to conduct them, as long as results are shared immediately with the regulatory authority overseeing the fight.

"The athletic commission has to supervise and the reports have to go to the athletic commission, because otherwise, you've got this testing group that's functioning outside of the regulatory scheme of boxing, " Arum said.

Nevada would be the perfect landing spot for the fight. The Nevada State Athletic Commission has experience dealing with the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency and its recent tests before all Mayweather fights.

The most important thing we heard yesterday was Mayweather confirming that there won't be an issue over whether the final prefight test is done 24, 14, 17 or 7 days before the fight. He just wants it to be random.

So Floyd has backed down with specific demands, but that doesn't mean he's vanquished his doubts about Pacquiao's legitimacy.

"I'm not ducking and dodging nobody -- never have ducked and dodged no one," he said. "But like I always say, when you see an athlete like Michael Jordan in college, you say, 'He's going to be great.' You see LeBron James, you say, 'He's going to be great.' You see Muhammad Ali, you see Sugar Ray Leonard, you see all these different fighters -- even myself -- you say, you know what, from the beginning, 'He's going to be great.' A guy all of a sudden don't become 24, 25, and just become great."

 

If all of that is true, then I expect the fight to come off within 12 months. If they enter earnest negotiations and Pac agrees to random testing with no cut-off, and the fight STILL falls apart, then Floyd will be entirely to blame (provided all the other terms are the same as before as far as the split etc)

 

Floyd will stwop him in 7 or less

 

Fingers crossed.