SERIOUSLY, Did Nate's QUESTIONABLE Tactics CONTRIBUTE to his Win???

Thank you!

 

This is the first time I had seen somene bring the rib roasters to Juan Diaz.

It was long overdue given we all know Diaz is never "ripped"

After the fight I thought it was obvious Diaz at least had a fracture or 2 to his orbital bone

 

I didn't see know headbutts. They clashed heads a couple of times inside but they were not intentional from what i saw.

The foul where he hit Juan on the clinch definately effected him. The cut that it caused made it very hard for Juan to see out of, and he seemed to lose alot of energy at the end of the round.

Campbell fought an incredible fight. I was expecting him to be gassed pretty early the way he came out throwing bombs but it was Diaz who got tired and discouraged. Nate actually looked like he was enjoying the fight.

 

Proof that Diaz got his will taken was in the post-fight interview. He told Max he wasnt worried about winning, but about finishing the fight, or something to that effect. Nate took Juan's will to win, Diaz was just fighting to finish the last few rounds.

 

how was that a foul?

 

Holding and hitting is illegal. No surprise your a Hatton fan.

 

diaz was the one doing all the holding. were you reffing that fight?

 

Not true at all.

 

Juan was holding late in the fight.

Nate had Juans left arm locked up and hit him with his own left which caused the bad cut.

Thats illegal.

 

very true. his soft ass damn sure wasn't punching back after a certain point. fuck diaz

 

Diaz is far from soft. He might not be Diego Corrales but he damn sure aint soft.

 

Late in the fight, sure. But don't try to BS us by saying Nate didn't do any holding in there. ::

 

he's a softie, mentally and physically. when the going got tough he packed it in and stopped trying to win. it came to the surface again last night just like when ubaldo hernandez made his soft ass cry.

diaz and his corner were looking for an out for several rounds.

 

He was soft last night.


At least around the mid section.

 

campbell thumped the over rated slapper from the inside and the outside. he even landed the more effective shots in the early rounds in between the soft slappers bullshit that had lampley and ledderman engorged.

 

His corner was bad. The ref let him have upto 10-15 seconds extra at the start of every round.

I don't see what is soft about getting your ass kicked and getting made tired and discouraged by the other guy. Boxing is a brutal sport, it's not exactly fun to get hit by 50 power punches every round with your eye busted up bad and being dog tired. Diaz fought his ass off last night he was beaten by the better fighter.

 

I hear what you're saying, bro. And again, I haven't seen the fight.

But headbutts - even intentional ones - happen, and it only happened ONCE and early.

The swelling I've heard of (closed eye) happened due to punches?

ANd wasn't there a second cut opened due to Nate's punches...and isn't that the one that gave him more trouble? :dunno:

If Nate was repeatedly headbutting and using elbows, etc. throughout the fight, I'd get it.

But one butt is one butt...and he then proceeded (per what I've read) to literally outwork and outhustle Diaz, something no one thought he could do (except for a few).....and really hammer Juan's body hard.

And btw - punching in a clinch is perfectly legal.

Remember - Diaz often like to charge in with his head as well.

Given the pace Campbell set, and how physical he was and the 100's of clean punches he landed - and from what I read he did a great job of parrying Juan's shots - are you really that sure a rematch will go completely differently sans one headbutt?

The issue here is Nate's inconsistency - that's more the problem; that's what makes him a hard guy to bet on.

Peace.

 

He always is. Diaz has never been a cut fighter.

There are many who aren't.

Nothing new and no big deal.

 

this first cut that supposedly was caused by a butt and was the reason playdough fists lost WASNT EVEN BLEEDING.

 

They were infighting and Diaz was bringing his head over Nate's left shoulder. I think Lederman called it an "up-jab" but it looked perfectly legit to me. Nate hit him with several of those shots throughout the course of the fight and Juan kept on playing them off as headbutts because he wasn't used to that countering tactic.

It was brilliant really. I can only guess that John David Jackson worked on that extensively with Nate to prepare for Diaz.

They used Diaz's agressiveness against him throughout the fight and Campbell obviously got himself in good enough shape to be able to keep up the pace against him. It really was a career performance for Nate.

 

The FACT that Diaz was INTENTIONALLY Butted (& Consequently CUT) Made it EASIER for Fuuuuuurther Cuts to Transpire, NEIL...

Unless U REALLY Think a NEW Cut N the SAME EXACT AREA had NATHAN To Do w/the ORIGINAL Cut...


REED::

 

Brother X...

Nate Campbell PURPOSELY Butted Juan Diaz N his Grill N Round 1...

SURE, it's Juan's OWN FAULT that he was DISTRACTED by this, but the FACT REMAINS, he was Thrown OFF of his Game AFTER an INTENTIONAL Foul...

AND, Nate Campbell Took ADVANTAGE of the INTENTIONAL & ILLEGAL Damage he Inflicted Upon Juan Diaz...

REED is Coming Across as a Juan Diaz NUTHUGGER (which REED Most Certainly IS NOT),but Regardless, it's ALARMING to REED how Soooo Many can Just OVERLOOK THE WAY Campbell Positioned Himself Into Winning that Fight...

That's why REED PRAYS there's an IMMEDIATE RE (after Juan's Eye FULLY Heals)...

Floyd's "Tactics" DIDN'T INJURE Hatton N Any Way...The Forrest Headbutt Against Mosley CAN'T Reconcile the FACT that Shane has Fought Vernon 3 Times & NEVER Beaten him...& @ Least N the 1st Fight, Holyfield's Tactics CLEARLY Contributed to his WIN Over Mike...Shit, he Caught Might w/a NUT Shot, Prior to Dropping him...

Nate Campbell was the BETTER MAN Last Night...But the Sport of "BOXING" has RULES...& Nate VIOLATED them En Route to Winning...

If they were STREETFIGHTING, REED would have NO QUALMS w/Nate's Manner of Victory...


REED

 

His BODY is Soft, but NOT his Spirit...

Dude Appeared to B on the Verge of Being KO'ed Late, yet he SUCKED IT UP & Finished the Fight...


REED:clap:

 

well I'm watching sum of the replay and you can CLEARLY see in diaz corner before round 8 that the bad cut is directly on his eyelid while the original cut to the left of his left eyebrow is not connected at all, and it isn't even bleeding.

 

But AGAIN, NEIL...

U Honestly DON'T Think an ALREADY CUT Left Eye is MORE SUSCEPTIBLE to Fuuuuuuuuurther Cuts???....


REED:dunno:

 

There MIGHT have been 1 or 2 INCHES btwn the Initial Cut & the Latter Cut...

So How Could they NOT B @ Least SOMEWHAT Related??:dunno: ...If Diaz was Cut on a DIFFERENT EYE or a SEPERATE Part of the Body, REED Would SEE your Point, but the Fact REMAINS, the SAME EXACT EYE,that Nate INTENTIONALLY Damaged, was Fuuuuuurther DAMAGED...

& ALL REED is Saying is that it's OFFBASE to Pretend that the INTENTIONAL FOUL was 100% Irrelevant...

REED

 

Campbell whooped Diaz's ass plain and simple. He started strong and never let up. The headbutt means nothing, it wouldn't have mattered.

 

Amazing,.. advocating that the sport needs to be cleaned up in this thread,... up.

Advocating that the sport needs to be cleaned the fuck up in regards to Fraud's elbow, forearm and back turning,... leave it troll, it's cool.

 

Mister REED...

Again, I reiterate that I haven't yet seen the fight, but I am quite capable of envisaging an illegal, tactically deployed headbutt from Nate and I can well imagine how it would help swing the course of a fight.

BUT, these things are part and parcel of the game. Of course it would be great to think that, in an ideal world, a picture perfect, flawless fight would occur and the best man wins. However, that just isn't how the game works. Nor has it ever done so.

Maybe I'm a little biased. I started boxing eight years ago under the tutelage of a grizzled former journey pro (who also happened to be my uncle). Within three months, he was teaching and advocating the use of a variety of illegal tactics- rabbit blows, butts, elbows in the clinch etc. When I asked him why, he simply said to trust him. And lo and behold, first fight I had in that club, some fucker butts me in the first round... :doh:

From then on, I immediately accepted all of that business as part of the fight game. You have to, because, put simply, that's exactly what it is. It might be dirty, it mightn't be 'chivalrous', but you ave to expect it and prepare accordingly.

A world champion like Juan MUST be prepared for something like this to happen, and be able to defend himself accordingly. That's why I refused to entertain any of that nonsense some spout about Floyd beating Hatton with illegal elbows and shoulder rolls. So fucking what. It was hardly a secret, was it, yet Hatton blatantly failed to prepare. That's his stupidity, plain and simple.

You cannot defend 'some' illegal tactics and complain about others. This is the fight game, and sometimes, boxing takes a back seat and 'fighting' breaks out. That's the nature of the beast. Prepare for it and, if it happens, counter accordingly. Were I in Juan's position last night, I'd have returned the compliment. With interest.

Plain and simple IMO.

MTF

 

REED:
God Bless Juan, but he got whipped last night, and decisively.
Diaz has butted more guys than I remember, in the ring and in the gym.
No excuse, and he has not made any.