Shakur Stevenson vs Robson Conceicao

mayweather jr when with top rank was at or beyond the level spence is at now as a draw. what is spence's best selling ppv, vs mikey garcia?

 

1st of All, Floyd Had a Grand Total of ONE PPV Under the Top Rank Umbrella, and Even Then, He was the B-Side to Arturo Gatti...Spence Has NEVER Been the B-Side On Any of His PPV's...

2nd, Floyd Had MORE Fights (33) For his 1st PPV Than Spence Had for His (24)...3rd, Floyd was Pro Looooooooooonger Than Spence Was, When Each of Them Had Their 1st PPV's...

& w/All That Said, Gatti-Mayweather Did 365K PPV Buys, Spence-Mikey Did 360k PPV Buys...

Floyd Has THE Top 4 Highest Selling PPV's Ever and the DeLa Fight is 4th on That List...It's Also the Only Fight of the Top 4 Where Floyd was the B-Side...He was the CLEAR A-Side for the Other 3...

You Can ATTEMPT to Move Goal Posts All the Fuck You Want, But the FACT Is, Bob Arum Did a PISS POOR Job of Marketing/Promoting Floyd...Floyd's PPV Success Before/After Arum FULLY ILLUSTRATES This...

Literally, There's ZERO BASIS for Giving Bob Arum/Top Rank Even a SHRED of Credit for Floyd's PPV Success/Marketability and for the 60th Time, Arum Doesn't PROMOTE Black Fighters Worth a Fuck...It's WELLfuckingDOCUMENTED...




REED

 

mayweather judah was with top rank on ppv

 

That was Actually a Co-Promotion w/Don King, Per the Fight Poster...



& the Bout Did 374K PPV Buys...


REED

 

So what. It was him on ppv under top rank.

Lets not pretend spence was the clear cut a side vs garcia. To me it was 50/50 at best for him facing a popular Mexican. Pretty much the same with Mayweather jr and Gatti, who had never headlined any prior ppv

Nonetheless the point stands. The guy is not a bigger draw than Mayweather Jr was with top rank.

 

So What?

It was a CO-PROMOTION, That’s What, Yet Your Top Rank SHILLING Ass is Attempting to Give Them ALL the Credit…

Whose Name was 1st on the Gatti-Mayweather Fight Poster? Who Made MORE Money That Night??? The Answer to Both is Gatti…

Whose Name was 1st on the Spence-Mikey Fight Poster? Who Made MORE Money That Night??? The Answer to Both is Spence…

Fuck is You Talkin’ About Bruh?!…

Since the Late 90’s-Early 00’s, Top Rank is PISS POOR at Promoting Black Fighters, PeriodT!!!…Every Single Goalpost You’ve Attempted to Move Has Led to that Same, Fundamental Conclusion!!!

Quit While You’re BEHIND, Because You’ll NEVER Get Ahead When it Comes to This Premise, Despite Your OBVIOUS Bias for Top Rank…






REED

 

apparently, bob arum's made it his purpose in life to deny superstar status to african american fighters. it's the only explanation i can think of.

 

Sworn enemies??? Wtf

 

As far as I know spence and garcia made around the same for that fight and garcias fan base certainly bought as many ppvs as vice versa

Mayweather Jr may have taken slightly less and let Gatti have his name first on the promotion. Cuz it was a slam dunk easy ass payday that boosted his profile and everyone knew it.

My point remains. There's zero evidence that errol spence up until this point in his career has been built into a bigger draw than Mayweather Jr was with top rank

 

Who Said it’s His “Purpose”???

The UNDENIABLE Truth is INCLUDING Floyd, THE Highest Earner in the History of Boxing, Top Rank Has Been PISSmotherfuckingPOOR at Promoting Black Fighters…

& YOUR Bitchass Can’t Deny It Either, Not FACTUALLY…





REED

 

mayweather jr also could have had his ppv debut 3 years sooner with top rank vs castillo in los angeles. but he turned it down.

 

As Has Been the Case THROUGHOUT This Thread, You're WRONG...

Spence was Guaranteed $8mil for Mikey, Mikey was Guaranteed $5mil, w/BOTH Getting a % of the PPV...Look it Up Yourself, if You Question the Numbers....If That's "Around the Same" to YOU, Kindly Give REED $5 for Every $13 You Make, Moving Forward...

And Suuuuure, Let's Completely OVERLOOK the Fact Spence was FROM Dallas, Fighting in Cowboys Stadium...ZERO Impact on the Promotion and Sales, Huh???...

Anyways, Gatti's Purse for the Floyd Fight was $3.5mil, Floyd's was $3.2mil...

Your "Point" was LAME AF from Jump...REED CLEARLY Stated 'Top Rank Does a PISS POOR Job of Promoting Black Fighters" & You've Done NATHAN to Disprove or Even APPROACH It...Instead, You're Moving GoalPosts on Some Top Rank Dick Sucking Bullshit...

Seriously, Are You Todd DeBouf???...Brad Jacobs???...Because the LENGTHS You'll Go To, the HOOPS You'll Readily Jump Thru to Protect the Top Rank BRAND Knows NO Limits...


REED

 

WHOtheFUCK Turns Down a PPV Opportunity???...WHY???...




REED

 

mayweather jr did. he refused to rematch castillo in "baby mexico" and it was moved to vegas on the klistchko undercard on hbo.

Spence is too much for him to handle, but Garcia shows big heart

 

Lucky for YOU and Your "Argument", that Castillo PPV Didn't Materialize, Because it Would've Done Terence Crawford Level Numbers, Undoubtedly, Which Would Only Fuuuuurther BOOST REED's Point...

Errol Spence Jr. Vs. Mikey Garcia Purse Info And Final Weigh-In Details

Anyways, the Spence-Mikey Numbers are All Over the Place...ESPN and Forbes are BOTH Credible Sources, Usually On Top of Fight Purses, Yet They're $5mil Apart Apiece on What Each Man was Guaranteed...

The UNDENIABLE Fact is Spence Didn't Get Even $300k LESS Than Mikey....Something Floyd CANNOT Say About His 1st PPV...

& for the 75th Time, NATHAN You've Said Makes Top Rank Look ANY BETTER In Regards to Promoting Black Fighters, as Floyd's' Post-Top Rank Financial Success and the WAY Rigondeaux, Crawford and Now Shakur are Being Handled FULLY ILLUSTRATES...


REED

 

Im hearing alot of excuses for why these guys arent selling. the economics of the sport show that LATINOs are the target audience for boxing in the united states if you want to make money as a promoter. top rank recognizes this.

then there is alan haymon, who wasnt concerned with making money promotionally, due to the fact that he bilked a bunch of investors (who have yet to receive any R.O.I.) of their hundreds of millions. he could afford to just throw fights together in random cities with zero regard for selling actual tickets or creating a successful business model, and could over pay (mostly) black fighters to take his managerial cut and still make out like a bandit.

does that make him better at promoting black fighters than top rank? if you say so

everything i have said is accurate. i see no evidence that spence was paid more than garcia from espn or forbes. espn said they were guaranteed more than 3 million each it simply wasnt specified by how much.

whether or not you want to believe it, top rank laid the ground work for mayweather jr to become what he did as an attraction. he got plenty of exposure since his pro debut and when it came time for him to leave to get the delahoya fight he did, paid his way out of the contract and it took him to the next level.

rigondeaux and stevenson are great boxing prodigies who i personally enjoy watching, but neither have the styles or personalities to become crossover stars no matter who promotes them. how'd rigondeaux do with haymon?

 

Who actually gives a fuck about which promo company promotes black fighters better?

 

reed, apparently.

 

Uuuuuh, BLACK PEOPLE, Motherfucker???...

That's Literally Among THE DUMBEST Questions EVER Posed on Fightbeat, Bruh...

YOU Damn Sure Get BUTTHURT & On YOUR Fucking Menstrual Cycle WHENEVER Your Precious Loma or Josh Taylor are Slighted...You're Always 1st in Line DEFENDING Them, So Shut the Fuck Up, If You're Going to Be a DISINGENUOUS Prick About It...

& SPARE REED Your Lame, "I Like Teofimo Better" FALLACY, Because Your Fightbeat Posting History DOESN'T Even Remotely Support It...





REED

 

Fuck off you fat sad bastard.

If you care so much about shitty promo comparisons then go and make video about it that no-one will watch.

 

andre ward is another like crawford, rigondeaux, stevenson. he wasnt with top rank but he never really amounted to shit as an attraction. its all about the economics as well as the fighters styles.

 

Yet You’ve Been the CHIEF Deliverer of EXCUSES Throughout This Exchange Neil, Just REED Your Own Responses…

For Some Reason You're PREACHING to the Choir, Regarding the Latino Influence on Boxing Marketing...REED's Been Posting On Boxing Messageboard's Since the Mid-Late 90's Just Like YOU, Bruh...

The Latino Influence Has Been the Fucking Case Since DeLa or Chavez Sr, DUH!!!…Perhaps Earlier....Going On 30 Fucking YEARS Now, Minimum...

But Again, You Keep MOVING the Goalposts...

Sooooo, Because Latino's are the Predominant Fanbase, That Gives Boxing Promoter's an OUT to NOT Promote Black Fighters to the Degree They Can???...What Does One Fanbase Have to Do w/the Other in That Regard???...

Not Sure What Your EVER PRESENT Beef w/Al Haymon Is All About, But EXCLUDING Black Fighters, Haymon's Made Danny Garcia, David Benavidez, Caleb Plant and Mikey Garcia Richer Than Top Rank EVER Would've Made Them, as Well...

Literally, Mikey Sat Out 2-3 Years, Rather Than Fighting for Top Rank Again; and Fought on a Fight By Fight Basis w/PBC the Entire Fucking Time!!!…

Yet YOU'RE Sitting Here Crying Rivers Over BILLIONAIRE Businessmen Who Did/Didn't Get Their FULL Investment Value from Haymon???...

Are You a BOXING GUY or a Fucking SUIT, Mannix???...Let REED Know and the Debate Can END Here and Now???...

Top Rank Categorically DID NOT Lay the Groundwork for SHIT Floyd Related…Arum WANTED Floyd to Tone Down the Image We NOW Know as “Money May”…But Make No Mistake, it was ALWAYS There, Which Haymon Recognized and Pimped MASTERFULLY…

Hell, Arum Was 1st In Line BITCHING About Floyd’s “Slave Wages” Comment (Which was Misquoted No Less) Regarding the Contract HBO Offered Him…

Per Arum, Floyd was Basically THE SAME As he Views Shakur Today…Slick, Boring, Defensive Oriented Black Guy, Minimal Power…

Then Arum TAPStheFUCKOUT On Those Black Fighters…

But as Floyd PROVED, if PUSHED/MARKETED/PROMOTED Correctly, ANY Gifted, Elite Level Fighter Can Achieve a Level of Acclaim…

How OLD was Rigondeaux When He Got to PBC, Neil???…Hell, YOU Inadvertently BEGAN This Back and Forth BITCHING About Top Rank’s Matchmaking of Shakur…

You DO Recall That, Right???…




REED

 

Fat???

Fair Enough, employee...

In the Meantime, How About Getting LAID Sometime???...Most 16 Year Old's Invest @ Least SOME of Their Time in the Pursuit of WOMEN, Keg Parties, etc., Whereas YOU Invest 100% of YOUR Time Towards Masturbating to Lionel Rose Videos...

Yet REED is the "Bad Guy" Here???

w/All That Said, Fuck YOU Too, No Pussy Getting, Pre-Pubescent Piece of Shit...No Sweat NOR Pubic Hair Off REED's Balls...

Bye!!!




REED

 

Again, You're MAKING REED's Point FOR Him...

That Simply WASN'T the Case w/Floyd, Post Top Rank...

Floyd's Most LUCRATIVE Boxing Days w/PBC Were a Couple HUNDRED Times Over What Arum EVER Paid Him...& It's FUNNY to REED How This Has Bothered YOU for YEARS Now...

Based PURELY On STYLES, if You Asked an ESPN/Casual Level Boxing Fan Who the BIGGEST Earner is Boxing History Was, Floyd WOULDN'T Top Any of Their Lists...



REED

 

Let me ask you this reed, since you feel so strongly against top rank

Why do you suspect James prince brought Stevenson there? Is he a dumb guy or unaware of these things you have been mentioning?

Not only Stevenson, I just saw a kid last night Abdullah Mason. 18 year old killer

If you follow the amateur game I'm sure you're familiar with him

Anyhow another promising prospect prince dropped in arums lap

Thoughts?

 

Mason fights tonight on the commey pedraza card.

 

REED Only Feels Strongly "Against" Top Rank in Regards to their DOCUMENTED History of Under Promoting Black Fighters...You're Categorically AGAINST PBC from Top to Bottom, Across the Board...Big Difference...

You'd Have to Ask James Prince for the TRUE Answer to Your Question...

Having Said That, PRIOR to Floyd Affiliating Himself w/Haymon, JPrince was a PROMINENT Part of Floyd's Circle...During the "Philthy Rich Records", Corrales Fight Days...

Strictly SPECULATING, Perhaps Prince Harbors Some GRUDGE Over How Things Played Out; How He Managed Floyd 1st, Only to See Floyd's Most LUCRATIVE Years Come Under PBC Management...

What we KNOW is JPrince is a Certified STREET Dude & a Lot of Times Those Types Would Rather Play 2nd Fiddle and Lean On a NON-BLACK Business Partner, Rather Than Do Business w/and Play 2nd Fiddle to a Fellow Brother...IS What it IS...

REED's Been in the Same Room as JPrince a Grand Total of 1 Time, So He Won't PRETEND to Know Dude Like That, But REED Would Bet Floyd's Somewhere in the Reasoning for WHY JPrince Takes His Fighters to Top Rank in Lieu of PBC...






REED

 

Prince never did shit for Mayweather jr but gouge 30% of his purses. Great move leaving him, and I'm not exactly sure what these guys see in him as a manager

Never really looked at it from that dynamic but perhaps it's a factor

 

Familiarity maybe. Probably the same reason young black talented boxers gravitate towards Al Haymon and in the 80s and 90s they gravitated towards Don King.

Even Tyson said he fell for it. The old hes one of us so he must be down for us. Yeah king was down alright. Down to take all your money. left Mike broke and bankrupt.

The Latin promoters arent any better. Look at Dela Hoya he turned into everything he hated about the sport. Swore he would look out for his fighters but ask Canelo how much he stole from him.

 

Fight is this week. Looking forward to see how this plays out. Either a Shakur Stevenson shutout or perhaps a competitive tactical chess match.