Shane Mosley fought like a cowardly cunt.

:bears: Exactly. Shane fought scared for 22 rounds vs Forrest then looked jittery as shit for a string of fights afterwards.

 

Good call.

 

Well the thing is, when I call Mosley tough, and probably other people too I'm purely talking physical durability. That can't be denied.

 

You're right. It was so long ago I kind of forget.

I don't know if you remember, but when he was still undefeated I was a BIG Mosley fan, he was my 2nd favourite fighter after Morales.

I went off him and that was exactly why, he just wasn't the same fighter after that, and not the fighter I thought he was.

 

It can be debated. He holds and touches gloves a lot when hes up against it. He isn't trying to win at all.

 

Absolutely, but the guy can take a punch, and can take a lot of punches without wilting physically or being KO'd.

He's physically tough, but mentally no, he's obviously not that tough.

 

It's hard to know how physically tough he is when hes avoiding a fight. I would say that it is a small mixture of physical and mental weakness. Obviously the fact that it hurts physically means he goes into survival mode mentally.

 

Shane was far older for the Pac fight than Holy was for the Bowe fight.

Holyfield was the defending champion and had something to lose.

Holyfield was on steroids.

 

I still don't know what to think about Shane's comment on Pacquiao's power.

Clearly it scared the shit out of him. But the Beating he took from Forrest seemed more brutal to me. I remember Shane crawling in the ring and going to the wrong corner after the bell.

Against Pacquiao it didnt' seem that damaging. Yet Shane said he had never been hit with that kind of power before. :say:

 

Shane had to say that with the way he fought.

 

Not really fair to Holy. I'm not particularly a fan, but I will say that he had one of the strongest wills in the history of the HW division.

 

Is that a fight at 135, or 147?

 

Yes he did, but it wasn't really fair to Bowe (or numerous other foes) that he was juicing, either.

 

Say what you want, but that was a pathetic display by both guys last night. Shane was pathetic for all the reasons already stated. But Manny's lack of killer instinct can't be overlooked. He and Shane touched gloves after Shane rose from being knocked down... WTF? I've never seen that, ever and especially not in a fight involving the top guy in the sport. Honestly, Manny had Shane badly hurt and rather than jumping all over him, they touched gloves in the center of the ring.

Man..

 

Pacquiao got suckered into a sparring session, and obviously part of the blame has to be on him for that. Despite that, ultimately it was Mosley's fault the fight was so awful.

Pacquiao could have done more, but it really is hard to look good against a guy who simply doesn't want to fight, and just wants to survive.

 

I think it's more what i'll call the "Roy Jones effect".

Fighters have faced guys that have more raw power than Roy, but when they got blasted by a true power punch, especially in combination they really had a "what the fuck just happened!?" sort of reaction. Even the really tough fighters have gotten discouraged when that happened.

As the saying goes it's the punch you don't see coming that hurts you. In Manny and Roy's case they weren't sneaky punches that caught them cold, but a barrage of bombs even when they figured they had their defenses up.

 

Good point. Even if the pure force on single shots isn't the hardest, if they get hit with a combo of proper power shots, so fast that they don't even have time to react, the result truly is WTF. And yep, they usually get discouraged, it's easy to see why.

At least with a heavy puncher at normal speed you can just be cautious and VERY focused, make sure you see the punches coming etc. Pretty hard to do that with a Roy or Pacquiao or Tyson, who can throw combos of PROPER power punches at blazing speed.

 

Agreed.

"If you ain't got a good partner, it's hard to dance." - Georgie Benton.

 

Everyone who agreed with this is late to the show. I said this exact thing right after the Mayweather fight I even made a thread about it, and most of the replies disagreed with me even though I basically said what you guys are saying now, that Mosley didn't try very hard against Floyd. So while half of you guys were on here months ago saying Mosley had a punchers chance against Pacquiao or that he may win and what not, I knew going off of the Mayweather fight and the Mora one that Shane had basically no chance whatsoever.

Here's the thread I made about it:
http://www.fightbeat.com/forums/showthread.php?t=35535&highlight=Mosley&page=2

 

I don't get how anyone can agree with this guy. He's hated on Shane since the Boxing.com days and anything he ever said about the guy was negative 100% of the time. It was such a level of bias that I stopped replying to most of his Mosley opinions years ago, because 9 times out of ten he spits the same bullshit slanted bias that is borderline lies whether he's ripping Shane Mosley or when he's defending Floyd Mayweather.

Yet people will still discuss these issues with him even though he's 100% pro Floyd and 100% anti Mosley. You can't discuss Floyd or Shane with this guy because he's way too biased. You'll pull your hair out unless you're agreeing with him.

 

The same way he did against ODLH? Or the Cotto fight that he was losing but came on strong for what many thought he should have won or at least drew? Or how about the Mayorga fight when he was looking like crap and getting beat but still pulled out a last minute KO.


I've said this a couple times but I'll say it again. When a fighter has demonstrated throughout his career complete toughness, but quits on his stool, gives up, or allows himself to be counted out at the end of his career, I have to think you don't take that tough label away from him. When he's shot, over the hill and obviously fighting for his last few paydays you can't expect him to sit there and take the kind of beatings he did when he was younger. Honestly it's not even fair, their skills are gone. How can you expect them to so easily go in there and take their lumps when they can barely give any back. So criticize Mosley's effort all you want, just don't try to take what he was back in his prime. He earned all of that. And for the record his toughness isn't overrated, it's just that his present relevance was.

 

Roy Jones does the same thing, chill bro. What i am saying is if Shane gets hurt he just tries to survive he doesn't try to win.

Erik Morales and Israel Vasquez are 2 of the tough fighters of my lifetime and they have flat out quit in one fight each, but they also always gave 100% effort in trying to win before they did it.

Shane obviously isn't a coward he has fought a lot of great fighters; Mayweather, Oscar, Forrest, Pac, Winky, Cotto, Vargas. Thats an impressive list.

He showed a lot of heart against Forrest to get thro round 2 but then he didn't even try to win the rematch just did the same things against Forrest that he did against Pac.

 

Ironically there have been 2 posters that have agreed with me in this thread. Saying it's overated isn't saying that he isn't tough but hes not the toughest fighter out there. There are many fighters much tougher than Shane.

 

Bottom line is Shane didn't believe in himself, and wasn't willing to go out on his sword, and for that reason he should never have taken this fight (except, of course, for the money).

I don't know why anyone would've expected anymore from him, given his performance against PBF.

What is interesting, though, is that Pacquiao, regardless of what he said about his legs, did alter his approach in this fight, probably in order to deal with Mosley's speed and foot-work. I guess in sparring or somehow Pacquiao figured out that his hornet's nest approach of attacking from all angles wasn't going to work against Mosley, that it would have left him too open to right-hands. As Bernstein pointed out, he was primarily fighting in a straight line, but because of his intense pressure, the use of his jab and right-hook, it was still way too much for Mosley to handle.

I don't want to hear anyone say Mosley still isn't quick. He is. It's just that he was in there with two guys, PBF and Pacquiao, who happen to be quicker than he is.

 

I think they should reduce or even take away Mosley's Pay for that horrible performance. Allot of people payed $55-$65 "HD" bucks to watch him run for his life. Bullshit!!!!

 

Good point.

 

I was highly disappointed in Shane's performance. He made it worse by admitting he was pretty much in survival mode. Hopefully he goes ahead and hangs it up.

BTW His girl is banging. I seen her up close when they were down here in San Antonio at this water park vacationing I guess. It was about a few weeks after the Mayweather fight.

 

Seeing his girl on camera occassionally was the only part of the broadcast that gave value for money. She's a delicious dish. I'd bury myself in her for a week without leavin gthe bedroom to even go to the kitchen for a snack....

 

She was a stripper here in Houston at Treasures; probably where the guy met her as he spends time here.