So tell me again how the UFC isn't aligning itself with boxing

The most hardcore MMA fans are the same ones who would tell you that me being a jiu-jitsu player would be able to beat the world champion of boxing in my weight class.

He has fought elite strikers, and won...by knockout.

And Fedor said boxing and ground fighting..which is definitely different then just wrestling.

Rampage does both better than Wanderlei Silva and was aborted by him twice. I agree Chuck's recent run was a bunch of KO victories of guys with sub-par stand-up...but that doesnt mean his whole career he has been fighting guys with bad stand-up, because that is clearly not the case.

To suggest that Liddell was in some way exposed, is like suggesting Roy Jones was "exposed" against Antonio Tarver. Proven great fighter, one guy just matches up very well with him.

 

I fit into the UFC's target demographic, age-wise. I've been following martial arts before the UFC was even born, all the way up to the old days of basic shoot wrestling with Gary Albright which I used to rip from ppv on an old descrambler.
I just wonder if these new fans are going to embrace Pride fighters with open arms. It's pretty sad for a fan who is led to believe that Chuck Liddell is the most ruthless and dangerous man walking the earth, and then all of a sudden some black guy nobody's ever heard of just walks in there and kills that ass in less than 2 minutes.:: I'm just trying to think from the perspective of the TUF fan. They've never heard of fighters like Fedor, Noguira, Henderson, Shogun, etc.

 

No, I'm pretty sure Fedor said 'boxing and wrestling'. I'll have to go find the quote. As for Chuck, he's alright but I never bought into Dana White's attempts at brainwashing me into believing he was all that. I just never bought into the mystique. Not saying he's not a good fighter, he's done very well for himself and will get a spot in the UFC's Hall of Fame.
The only time I ever cheered for Liddell was against Ortiz. I cheer for everybody to kill Ortiz. Rashad Evans hopefully takes him out.

 

WTF are you talking about? Everyone knew who Rampage was and most people who know anything knew he'd fuck Chuck up. AGAIN. It's a style's thing. Shogun Rua could bend Jackson over tomorrow and make him his bitch AGAIN.

 

Thats the problem most of the newer UFC fans you know the ones buying up the ppv's..don't know shit about MMA. They just follow UFC an their Tito Ortiz, Liddell, Couture, etc..and actually believe that Liddell was the best FIGHTER IN THE WORLD. Thats why the next few months/years will be interesting for the UFC, see how those groupy fans that jsut got onboard in the last 2 years will react to see non american, non english speaking fighters dominating.

 

Chuck showed big succeptablitily (if that is even a word) to basic boxing in the first fight with Randy Couture.

Chuck is one of the best fighters ever in this young sport, and his resume proves that. I however think someone like Dan Henderson, Mauricio Rua, or maybe even Wanderlei Silva (depending on how past it he is) would beat him. Possibly Sokoudjou and Little Noguiera as well.

I do however think he would knock out Ricardo Arona, who gave Emelianenko Fedor a run for his money, and defeated Wandy (twice IMO) and Alistair Overeem.

Anyone who thought Chuck was without a doubt the best 205 LBSer alive was an idiot anyways.

 

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i HATE TO SHIT IN YOUR CHEERIOUS but Rampage Jackson is an American, and English speaking. In fact, the guy has a great personality.

 

agREED

Shogun is soo good at pretty much everything. That kneebar on Kevin Randleman looked extremely painful. Not to mention devestating beatings of Rampage, Overeem and Arona.

Dude is a straight up killer. Him and his brother had a seminar here is SD,but unfortunately I was working at it was like 150 dollars.

 

hahahah i looked at it and was just like that cant be right.

 

True, I wonder if anyone actually SAW the first fight. It wasn't a single punch KO; he worked him over in EVERY WAY POSSIBLE. I thought it was going to be more of the same but Liddell obviously thought ahead and wanted to take his chances on the outside. After all, it's not like Jackson is invincible and he caught him coming in he could have had a victory istead. It didn't work, but it showed that he wanted to give it a shot (no pun intended).

 

Agree...but will the ufc fan like him? But most Pride imports will be non american...opcorn:..and the recent ufc fans are not fans off mma but of Ufc and liddell, tito,etc...

 

Too be fair they fought the first fight right after Chuck's war with Alistair Overeem. And Chuck pulled his hamstring in that fight.

But it's true...I thought Rampage was shot and over with...guess not.

 

Dude, did you hear/see his interviews? I'd be amazed if UFC fans didn't eat that stuff up. From that perspective the man is absoultely a GOLDMINE for UFC. He may not have lasting power however, b/c he's probably on the downswing of his career.

 

I have heard his interviews the guy is great...if the UFC is smart they keep matching him against other recognize longstanding ufc fighters.

 

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You called Nishjima a champ, but now say noones saying they're good boxers.

He accomplished very little in boxing, yet you call him a champ and mention his name like it was something of major significance that he doesn't have a good record in MMA.

I wasn't calling Liddell or Jackson amateur boxers. Read the line again.

As for the comments of boxers, verified or not, it has to do with training. They are trained in boxing, not other disciplines, so they obviously couldn't just go into a gym and compete under that format. It would obviously take an athlete a long time to learn how to compete under MMA rules and be successful for any significant period of time.

 

Right, but you can't compare the names. The MMA event had Frank Shamrock and Renzo Gracie. That's the equivalent in boxing to a Joel Casamayor and Jose Luis Castillo, just to throw out some names. The super middleweight tourney was a disaster from day one.

 

Boxing will always be superior to UFC because it's more of a science.

TRUE...boxing can be unpredictable as well...but for the most part, you know that a Pernell Whitaker isn't going to KO a Marvin hagler...You know that Benn Barkley MUST end in a KO...you know enough to properly analyze a fight and have a good discussion.

UFC is just RANDOM. Know wasy of predicting a fight at all. One kick and it can be all over (because a kick from ANYONE is virtually UNTAKABLE...by anyone). Every fighter is CHINNY, relatively speaking, because they are not trained to take punches the way boxers are and so one big punch from anyone can end a fight there and then. Anyone can be a victim of the "ground and pound"...because anyone can be put down at any given moment and anyone once down...finds themselves in a very precarious predicament.

UFC is exciting but it is not as scientific as boxing is...the best UFC fight would never have the action and drama of a Hagler hearns, Corrales-Castillo, Eubank Watson....by nature of the dynamics of the craft.

It is too random, too unpredictable and therefore an inferior sport.

 

Does that mean that curling is superior to boxing?

 

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MMA's advantages over boxing are not single fights. MMA's advantages are marketing,promoting, they put together better cards from top to bottom and show more fights.

 

Simon, ese!!

 

Amen!:bears:

 

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It's also about location ufc put on show where they know people will come to watch...boxing likes to do shit backwards sometimes they pick the worst locations sometimes. Judah vs. Cotto perfect location...Pavlik vs. Taylor should either Ohio...Castillo vs. Hatton should not be taking place in LAS VEGAS...imo....

 

You simply don't understand the sport. Ohio simply isn't a good place to make money. Castillo is HUGELY popular in Las Vegas, and there's no place outside of England where that fight could make more money.

 

Castillo isn't hugely popular anywhere. Illuminatti is correct that fight shouldn't be in Vegas. it should be in Britain.

 

That's just the point I'm trying to make. Most people know NOTHING. They only know what the UFC wanted them to know. They weren't exposed to the fights of Rampage Jackson in Pride. These TUF fans were clueless about Jackson just like they're clueless about Pride and fighters like Shogun, Henderson, and Fedor to name a few.

 

In his first fight with Mayweather, 9/10 of the crowd was there to see him. He's been a consistent draw in Las Vegas. "Hugely popular," is a relative term. He's more popular in Vegas than in Mexico, and there aren't more than 50 or so fighters more popular than he is, even though he's on a downstretch.

Bear in mind, internet morons rarely constitute the general consensus of the boxing world. Most boxing fans buy fights, and enjoy them. Internet fans don't, and whine about them.

 

Where is your evidence to substantiate this?