So Who's BETTER???...Vitali or Wlad???...

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Vitali also touched Lewis back several times. It's not like Wlad is harder to hit than LL is. What happens when Vitali touches Wlad? While you can say Vitali isn't a big puncher (I agree he's not), Wlad's chin is paper tissue and Vitali hits hard enough to mess him up.

 

wtf

i voted for the guy who hasn't been embarassingly KO'd a dozen times, and dropped a dozen more

 

Lewis trying to pass guard and gain a full mount.

 

Absolutely fucking ridiculous. How can you come up with that conclusion after watching Wlad get absolutely plastered by Sanders and then seeing Vitali go toe to toe with Sanders?

See, the problem is people get mesmirazed by Wlad's pretty techniques, just like they did with Judah. And likewise with Judah the missing intangibles is what makes Vitali the better fighter.

Like I say, you disect their resume's all you want, but just know you better match Wlad up with guys who either have no chin or no power. You put him in with a guy who has both and you're risking a major upset. When it comes to Vitali, you can put him in with whoever and expect a win.

 

Doesn't matter. Lewis would have plastered Wlad's ass in 1 rd. Did you miss Sanders-Wlad or what? Sanders had Wlad rolling around on the ground all fight long. What the fuck are you basing Wlad's toughness on? Do you honestly think he would have done better against Lewis than Vitali did?

 

this is very biased, and that bit about Wlad overcoming adversity in the thompson fight proves my point.

One fighter has only lost to injury/circumstance, the other has been soundly beaten by Cory Sanders, Ross Purity, and Lamon Brewster

 

So REED is biased, but you calling Wlad heartless isn't?


My kingdom for middle ground.

 

Wlad fights like a heartless coward. If he had half a sack like his brother, he'd have stopped Peter too.

Wlad has a better looking offense, more power, but he's lacking in the nutsack bigtime.

He has been turned into a beta by Emmanuel Steward, with great success...but as far as whose a better fighter, it isn't close

 

Ok, Mr Unbiased.

 

Vitali is better. There is no doubt. Wlad is flashy. He has the type of style that makes people talk. Wlad is a freak. He punches fast, hard and he is huge.
However, he is chinny, fights scared. Vitali fights ugly. He looks like he never boxed a day in his life. Yet, he has never been behind in a fight, dropped or dominated. I don't think there is a meaningful debate.

 

Vitali is the better fighter when healthy, but Wlad will go down higher in history because he'll ultimately have achieved more and beat more of the contenders around at the time.

Vitali is more of a "what if".

 

What? When has Vitali shown the durability to be a consistent champ? He was not durable enough to enter the ring and defend his belt and had to retire.

Wlad has won more title fights and been champion longer.

 

Thats what Im sayin'.

 

Or we look at the times Wlad fought a mediocre fighter with a chin he was KTFO, or we look at the times Wlad fought a journeyman with a great chin he was KTFO or we look at the times, Wlad fought a tall puncher and he was KTFO, or we look at the times when Wlad fought a fat punching bag and was knocked down three times or we look at the times Wlad was dropped by DaVarryl Williamson, or we just wait till Povetkin will batter Wlad into submission Dec. 13th.

What´s supposed to happen when Wlad for the first time in his career is matched with a really skilled fighter, who can punch and has a chin, which has never happened before. Vitali exposed the myth around his own brother. Think Vitali goes 12 rounds with Ibragimov shitting himself in the process. :laughing:

 

Tam and Erratic have it correct, which in fact makes this thread very relevant. It's not a question where a cut and dry answer can be provided.

Wlad has the better wins and deserves to be regarded as the top-rated heavy at the moment.

Vitali's strengths greater exploit Wlad's weaknesses than Wlad's strengths... you get the rest. But the problem with his career is that he only boasts two official wins over legitimate top ten heavyweights.

To further echo Tam and Erratic's sentiments:

If they fought right now, I'd pick Vitali in a heartbeat.

If their careers ended right now, there's no denying that Wlad will have accomplished more.

 

Wlad is the more fluid boxer with better movement .

Vitali is the bigger puncher, has the better chin and fights taller than his brother does.

Both are accurate punchers.

I'd say depending on who they fight , because of styles , one will do better than the other as evidence with Peter whom I predicted Vitali would do better than Wlad.

It's really a toss up but I'd give my vote and a slight edge to Vitali.

 

Head to head Vitali would KO Wlad 10 times out of 10 but Wladimir is the better offensive talent.

Overall I pick Vitali

 

I'd say Wlad is the bigger puncher, other than that I agree.

 

word.

I'd say that Wlad is a bigger puncher than vitali also..

 

There's no doubt that Wlad is the bigger puncher.

When he takes risks, and sits down on his punches more, Wlad's power is scary.

Overally though Vitali is the more effective fighter. Tougher, better chin, better stamina. He might appear less talented and skilled, but I guess the aforementioned attributes go a long way.

 

I don't agree ... I think Wlad being the more fluid boxer , can hit with punches his opponent doesn't see or expect , which can be more damaging. Vitali just lands with incredible power (Like a robot)

No one until Vitali has ever stopped Peter. Peter could see the punches and they were killing him and he knew it.

Wlad and McCline caught Peter with punches and knocked him down , but he was in both cases able to finish.

As I recall , Vitali has the better KO record too , devastating many opponents early. Wlad has consistently gone much deeper into fights.

Then look at common opponents ... I believe except for Bird ... Vitali has always done better. 3 of Wlads toughest fights , against Sanders, Peter AND Purity ... Vitali stopped them ALL. That's due to punching power as we all agree , Wlad wins in boxing ability , being more fluid and elusive and defense and is faster than Vitali.

What does that leave ? POWER.

 

Concur with:

Wlad - better resume
Vital wins head to head

 

Wlad is undoubtedly the more poweful puncher. Wlad has frightening power. Vitali just has heavy hands.

 

Common opponents ... How was Vitali able to stop them all when Wlad could not?

Use common sense.

BTW ... you do realize HEAVY HANDS refers to punching power ... right ? ::

 

Vitaly's the better fighter for sure. Those punches are messy looking, but they are actually incredibly accurate, he pulls them out from the weirdest angles but they land at an incredible rate. He's also got a better control of range than Wvlad, who's main defense allot of the time is just getting his hands up then clinching. The height contributes to that obviously and i also think he's got better legs and awareness of distance.

And of course the chin comparison doesn't even need to be made. That alone would be enough to make him a better fighter than Wvlad.

 

Nah, Vitally has more stoppages because he's more accurate and he can fight more aggressively without having to nurse the china chin. He's a better fighter in just about every department but Wvlad is definitely the bigger one shot puncher.

 

Thats really retarded rationale Petre.

 

:bears: Its obvious too....I thought.

 

Ali was able to stop Foreman where Friazier failed TWICE.

The ability to stop common opponents better than another person isn't the only indication of power.

 

Obviously heavy hands refers to power...but don't act stupid.

An example of heavy hands vs concussive power:

Miguel Cotto vs Thomas Hearns at Welterweight.

Riddick Bowe vs Lennox Lewis at Heavyweight

Erik Morales vs Naseem hamed at Featherweight


Heavy hands means that YES you have power..in that every punch hurts....but it doesn't mean you have ONE SHOT POWER greater in respect to another fighter for comparison.

Wlad as more one punch power than Vitali.