So Who's BETTER???...Vitali or Wlad???...

I thought you were keeping General Discussion clean .... not promoting insults.

You're a fine example for others in the forum where there's supposed to be zero tolerance. :bears:

 

Really ? I don't believe that's what I said , but it seems the level of understanding of the English language is pretty low around here.

I've watched every Klitschko fight there was available in the states to watch and back when I was praising Wlad and Vitali , their skill and accuracy most here were extremely critical of them and they were clumsy and Vitali in particular supposedly fought like a robot.

Now with 20.20 hindsight you guys act like you've called it right their entire career and NOW they're the complete package.

It's too bad the old post aren't in the archives. I'd have had some fun pulling up comments made back then when I was arguing their qualities against a majority here that criticized them as never going to make it in the US.

 

Oh ... and BTW .... Wlad was not a safety first fighter until he got torched by Sanders. THAT is when his game changed.

 

Actually, it was After the Lamon Brewster Fight...


REED:mj:

 

Yep.

 

i'd say it was before the Sanders fight.......Wlad-McCline!....oh dear, that set the boredom bar very high

 

Nah, what's "Absolutely Fucking Ridiculous" is COMPARING Corrie Sanders & Vitali Klitschko...

Sanders is a BETTER 1 Shot Puncher & his Handspeed is Much, MUCH Faster than Vitali's...

REED ACKNOWLEDGED @ the Beginning of the Thread that Vitali had a Better CHIN & that's ALL the Corrie Sanders Fight Proves...



REED:boohoo:

 

True ... but that's really because they lined up 2 bums for him to fight to get his chin back.

The Brewster fight was just BIZARRE and I still think there was a whole lot more to it than Wlad gassing out from that glorified sparring session.

 

Do you subscribe to the water bottle theory?

 

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Is Wlad-Sanders THE ONLY Fight of Wlad's U've Seen or Something???...1st U Based Vitali's Superiority to Wlad on the Sanders Fight...NOW U're Saying Lennox AUTOMATICALLY Beats Wlad Based on the Sanders Fight...

REED'll Say This...

If Wlad was FORTUNATE Enough to Face the Same DISinterested Version of Lennox that Vitali Faced, REED LIKES Wlad's Chances...

What if Wlad OUTJABS Lennox (which ISN'T Out of the Realm of Possibility)???...HOW does Lennox ADJUST to an ATHLETIC Big Man???...

Vitali BUCKLED Lennox w/Single Shots...How Does Lennox Cope when a BIGGER Puncher is Cracking him???...

Again, ALOT of ya'll R Being VERY ABSOLUTE on this Topic...It's NOT as Cut & Dried as ya'll R Making it Out to B...


REED:nono:

 

I don't think it was necessarily bizarre. I do think it was in part due to him working with Steward for the first time. I think he might've felt pressure to impress him or at least to follow his instructions...because he was clearly tiring and yet still followed exactly what Manny was telling him in the corner...to go out and try for the knockout.

Steward didn't seem to realize that he wasn't talking to Lewis in the corner, who would take what he told him and make up his own opinion on how he was going to execute it.

Wlad was following Steward's instruction instead of what his body was telling him.

It was a controllable loss for Wlad. The same thing with the Purrity fight.

It wasn't his body that let him down in either fight. It was him not fighting more under control...something Vitali always does.

 

Can't say what I really subscribe to other than it was quite a coincidence that when he basically defected from his Ukrainian handlers , he ends up having a sparring session where he completely gassed out like he was shot with a tranquilizer.

I remember watching it and couldn't believe what I was seeing. It seemed obvious something foul was up. No way Wlad just gassed out ... that fight was one sided and Wlad looked like he was in there fighting an exhibition.

He worked way harder in the McCline fight , Byrd and Purity and never looked so tired that early on.

 

Wlad owned Brewster in that fight until he "gassed" around the 4th. And it wasn't like he was working overly hard either. Something was DEFINITELY not right that night and IMO had nothing to do with not following Stewards instructions.

 

That's your argument for Vitali being a harder puncher than Wlad, ignoring the fact that Wlad is less aggressive, more safety first, and has also faced a higher level of competition by and large.

Wlad is the significantly harder 1 shot puncher, it's clear as day.

 

:: You would believe that, wouldn't you.

 

Wasn't working hard? Wlad threw a ton of punches early against Brewster. Way above the heavyweight average. He was tight, nervous and he went in to panic mode once Lamon started fighting back.

 

Wlad had a panic attack. Leave it to Pever has to make a conspiracy of it. Wlad beat Brewster to death, but he wouldn't die. Wlad had a panic attack. It is one of the craziest things I have ever seen in the ring.

 

dsimon writes:

Fuck!!! that makes a lot of sense actually. It really does! I think you may be on to something Ike. Thats what happens I can attest to that, he looked panicked thats for sure.

 

All you need to do is consider how measured Wlad has been since the Brewster fight in terms of punch economy to understand that even he is aware that the Brewster loss was a result of punching himself out and starting to panic when Brewster didn't go anywhere.

 

No,it was when Vlad left Universum & Sduneck and tried to adapt to the American style of fighting!

It started when Vlad went to Brooks and Duva!

 

This post sums up my feelings towards the Klitschko's as well

 

Sorry guys ... just for the sake of making sure I remembered it correctly , I just watched the fight again .

Not only was Wlad dominating Brewster with basically a jab/hook followed up by an occasional right hand , but Brewster did literally no damage to Wlad at all.

Around the 3rd round , Wlad started to lay on Brewster more and more and was getting warned for it.

In between the 3rd and 4th round in the corner, Wlad started to have an almost sick look to himself. Brewster had done nothing to him and it WAS a glorified sparring match. Wlad was giving Brewster a lesson in use of the left hand. His work rate was nothing out of the ordinary for him whatsoever.

During the 4th round Wlad started to look , "not right" but still the clear winner... Brewster scored NOTHING of consequence on him and contrary to what some say about Brewster going no where , Wlad KD Brewster in the 4th and had him wobbling all over the ring with a heavy 1 - 2 combo Brewster did a Staggerlee and went down. Wlad attempted to finish him off but Brewster was grabbing and "running" as he attempted not to get hit again.

Not once did Brewster have anything remotely resembling the advantage or anything you could consider intimidating that would have discouraged Wlad.

At the end of the 4th round as they clinched / wrestled , Brewster , still obviously not clear in the head fell down from a punch that missed , Wlads arm knocking him down and Wlad fallling on him . Brewster never landed anything of consequence.

Only 4 rounds of moderate action , no where near what you could call a very busy fight , more like Wlad hitting the heavy bag ... Nothing that would be exhausting and Wlad went back to his corner gasping for air and looked exhausted.

He wasn't panicking because Brewster was still coming , he nearly KO'd him and had him down twice , the second time at the bell. Steward rightly told Wlad he was dominating the fight and Wlad , gasping looked like he was sick ... uncharacteristically exhausted. Wlad almost looked like HE was the one that had been knocked down.

Also ... during the 4th round , Wlad was starting to fall over from throwing punches ... I've never seen this with Wlad in a fight this early or not hurt. No way he was getting this tired from 4 rounds of heavy sparring with barely a decent punch landed on him.

Then in the 5th Wlad even got a little extra rest as the ref stopped the action to wipe the ring floor.

Wlad, still doing all the landing of punches , was starting to plod and lunge, lean against Brewster and hold ... Brewster still didn't do shit. Hell the ref pushed Wlad back and he staggered.

About 1:30 of the 5th Wlad throws a 1, 2 leans forward and with Brewster's arm around the back of his neck , he lumbers across the ring ... still getting the best of every exchange walking in with 1,2s ... now he starts almost falling into Brewster and holding.

Wlads walking around now with his arms straight down and lumbering around ... Brewster still hasn't landed shit and Wlad wins every exchange ... Brewster finally connects with a glancing shots on Wlad who seems to be unable to keep his hands up , Brewster flurries with mostly missed shots ... And Wlad against the ropes gets the standing 8.

He's not even paying attention to the ref's count , arms straight down , looking around like he's confused , hanging his head down ... he walks off the ropes arms straight down , leans forward , Brewster misses a punch and Wlad staggers/falls back into the ropes. 15 seconds left , Brewster hits nothing but air , Wlad is staggering and leaning on Brewster all over the ring ,at the bell Brewster misses with a punch that goes over Wlads head because he's still falling forward... bell ringing, Wlad falls down on the canvass like he's having a heart attack. Rolling around and he can barely get up. HIT WITH NOTHING.

He gets up not staggering , but eyes half closed , walking sideways like a zombie while the ref walks him back to the corner and calls the fight.

Watching that again ... it's very clear I remember it correctly ... SOMETHING was very wrong with Wlad and it sure wasn't that he'd fought such a hard fight that he was exhausted or he got discouraged ... he owned that fight and without "gassing" would have dispatched Brewster , most likely, that round.

As a matter of fact , from what I can see at this point ... he's not really breathing that hard. He's just going almost comatose.

Then he's in the corner and can't stand still a minute after the fight stopped.

That had all the signs of someone either being drugged or having some other kind of major medical problem. It DID NOT look like an anxiety attack or hyperventilation and there's no way Wlad was that exhausted from punches thrown or landed.

He's in his corner still a minute or more after the fight stopped , wobbling around on his stool , eyes closed as the doctor is trying to get a look at him , rocking back and forth.

That man was drugged.

:nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono: :nono:

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Petre, you sound like a guy that's never actually played a taxing sport or competed.

I know in my own case, there were games where I wasn't sick, wasn't drugged, wasn't exhausted, but after 4 or 5 plays I just plain felt like shit. Call it stress, emotions, or mental fatigue, but sometimes you just not yourself.

 

:: "Sounds like". He's never even watched one. LIke I said before, he doesn't even watch boxing.

What type of person posts on a boxing forum, a place populated by boxing fans...and never talks about boxing?

 

it's quite amusing to see folks arguing back and forth about two robotic heavyweights who will never fight each other.

imo, wlad has greater handspeed and argually has more one-punch knockout power, but vitali is more mobile and fluid. not sure who's faster, but who really gives a shit? the division is still garbage.

 

dsimon writes:

thats true::

 

The answer is Vitaly,...because of all the intangables.

Like you say....Wlad is the more physically gifted/athletic guy...and punches harder too I think.

But if they fight 10 times....imo, Vitaly would probably win at least 8 or 9.

Better stamina, better chin, tougher guy is Vitaly.

Outta ten, Wlad might land the shot a couple times.....but if he didn't, he'd get chopped down by Vitaly.

 

You'd be very wrong ... but , you sound like a guy that has never been in really good shape nor had an athletes physical conditioning. I have.

I recall even Steward and his camp were saying something was wrong and I believe blamed Wlad's burnout on putting Vaseline on his body which prevented him from properly cooling down.

The only other thing I would attribute that bizarre change to Wlad to , would be some type of temporary mental illness like a major panic attack , but right up til the moment it happened , he was DOMINATING Brewster and had just minutes before put him on his ass ... which blows your theory on him losing it because Brewster just kept coming.

No other fight , ever ... has Wlad gassed like that so early and so completely. I've never seen him gas like that after 12 rounds.

He was in better shape after being blitzed by Sanders.

 

Sounds like you are a bitter old woman.

And that just shows how little you know about me. ALL I used to post about was Boxing way back from the Seconds out days , when you were still busting pimples on your face before going to school.

I watched Ali fight Foreman when you were still a mistake waiting to happen. :crying:

Your perception as to why I post more in TAAA now is like everything else about you ... wrong.

 

Maybe it was icy hot instead of vasoline:hammert: