Somewhat popular bad takes

Even moreso would be "pacquiao needed to win round 12 vs marquez in the rematch"

 

Why, because Jim Lampley said "outclassed is too big a word for what's going on here"?

 

On the subject of Pacquiao and Marquez, I hear a lot of people saying Marquez dominated the first fight after round 1.

Marquez controlled most of the rounds from round 3 to about the 7th round. Most of the latter rounds were close with neither guy showing a clear edge, and then you have these wide disparity in scorecards from not only the judges, but from fans as well.

 

Good one.

Both excellent.

Of course he was ducked by Lewis. Out of fear, no, but Lewis gave up belts to not fight Ruiz and Byrd. Lewis clearly ducked both.

 

another one...

you mean his glove was eating jabs, right? :notallthere:

cos the number that hit dlh's face was in the single digits

 

Ike did better work than DLH with the jab and occassional right hand in the majority of the rounds.

 

That's because his feet weren't stuck in mud.

 

That's how Tito often looked against De La Hoya.

 

I didn't say I scored the fight for Trinidad, but the "outclassing" didn't last nearly as long as the broadcasters made it sound.

 

I agree.

I had DLH beating Tito narrowly. Rounds 2-3, 5-7, and 9 for DLH. Rounds 4, 8, 10-12 for Tito. Round 1 even.

 

So your saying Miranda and Taylor are better wins than Hatton and Delahoya? I have Pavilk in my top 10 p4p but he needs to have a bit of longevity to challenge for top spot. Part of why Floyd is ranked so high is his consistency...Its been a pretty amazing run.

 

When in the hell was Miranda ranked #1 @ 160? :: :laughing:

 

Forget about what Z says, he is sans clue.

 

:dunno: Still better than Sanshou

 

What did you THINK would happen? ::

 

I had Quartey winning by a point.

On DLH-Trinidad I had it a draw and I look at it differently....I didn't give Trinidad "the benefit of the doubt in every close round"...

I think DLH got TOO much credit on alot of cards for flurries that were inaccurate, mostly blocked or didn't land. Hey, SRL got alot of that too.

I remember most of the media having this fight very close.

But I won't discuss that one anymore. ::

Peace.

 

Agreed...I had Ike up by 1 pt. What was your score, Eric?

 

The problem here is that the word "ducked" carries a CLEAR connotation in boxing speak of fear.

And I don't think this was the case with either fighter - especially given who Lewis ended up fighting.

I do not think Lewis gave up the belts for the sole reason that he feared fighting either Ruiz or Byrd.

Peace.

 

Donny, your insight is EXCELLENT.

Agreed on the Quartey fight. As for DLH-Trinidad, I too never understood why Oscar got so much credit for so many of his flurries - at least half of which did absolutely nothing. And I don't get the "DLH won the first 8 rounds" argument when he lost a round as early as the SECOND. Sh*t, even Chief Executive Golden Nuthugger Harold Lederman scored it for DLH by one point, I believe (or was it Tito?).

Bottom line, that fight was nowhere near a robbery.

 

Kenneth!

 

:warning: Yes?

LOL...

 

Yes. When was Hatton ever ranked at 147 period? Where does DLH rank among the top 154lbers?

 

and you're just a fucking idiot.

 

Wrong Z, I am a highly intelligent person and proven academic.

It's you who's the idiot. You're in the same kind of league of boxing as DMAN. You just don't have a clue, none whatsoever, about boxing ::

Both nice enough guys sure, they just aren't very well versed in the wonderful sport of boxing.

"Miranda was teh #1 at 160" - *Z*

 

You've got to be kidding me. How old are you? 12? 13? I've probably been watching boxing as long as you've been alive. The shit I took this morning knows more about boxing than you. You're just a fan boy like most of the other tards on this site. When you can't think of anything to say you resort to insults like a fucking child.


Did Pavlik and Miranda not fight an eliminator to face Taylor? How was he not ranked at the top of the division at that time? Miranda was ranked #2 behind Pavlik, but was a favorite going in.

 

He was ranked #2 by the WBC. My mistake.

 

The first time I scored it, I had it 114-113 Quartey. Then I watched it again and had Quartey up 3 points. And I thought I was being a tad generous to DLH.

That decision was more clear to me that the controversial decisions in DLH's fights with Tito, Mosley 2, and Whitaker. The fight was easier to score.

 

I tend to agree about it being more clear than some other DLH fights.

Frankly, that's what made it so astounding when I read in the highly esteemed (:dunno:) Ring Magazine a Nigel Collins article in which he claimed he scored the fight for Quartey live and then went back, watched the tape, and scored it for DLH. :eeeek: :doh:

 

I tend to agree. And I am almost positive Lederman scored it a draw.

Peace.

 

Quartey up by 3 points even after the 12th round KD? I don't think Quartey was that far ahead. You're talking what - 8-4 or 7-4-1 for Quartey (while still feeling generous to DLH)?

He was more effective but not by THAT much. Quite a few of his jabs were picked off over the course of the fight...and DLH was fast enough to land his over the top of Ike's guard.

Your first score is your most accurate one (and is what the judges are "allowed" to do).

Peace.