Steve Smoger should be "Pistol Whipped"

What was his name?

 

My wife.

 

Yeah, your wife, whats his name??

 

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You wouldn't be so happy if I told you her name. She's not white. I'm a race mixer. We even have a child.

 

DOES HE LOOK LIKE THIS??

 

This is getting boring. Come up with something new for once.

 

Dude....your sig is disgusting.

 

I know. Isn't it great?

 

I watched it again, and I thought Steve did a good job controlling the rough action in there.
I thought it was stopped at just the right time, but I can see how some folks thought he let it go on longer than it should have.
If Miranda was my guy, I would have stopped it in the corner after he was decked twice as there is no need to ruin a fighter.
He shot his mouth off and couldn't back it up, a lot like Tyson did vs. Lewis, but Miranda took his ass kicking like a man and didn't quit unlike some others have the past several years when the going got tough.

 

1st paragraph agree.

3rd paragraph agree.

2nd paragraph...I think he should have taken away 2 points. One point, imo, is more like what you 'think' is intentional, but happens when the guy is on the canvas, not when he stands up, listens to you count, and this spits it out in your face. Yeah, Smoger could have ended the fight when Miranda did that, but I like the 2 pt option better.

 

That's right. It was a WBC fight. Smoger should've taken away two points.

 

Part of me thinks he should have just taken it as a sign of resignation and called the fight.

It's bs that fighters can spit out their mouthpiece after a knockdown and buy time to recover.

I almost think the fighter should have to fight without the mouthpiece the remainder of the round.

 

I'm glad you're not a referee.

 

He spit the mouthpiece out after he finished the count.

That's a sign Miranda certainly didn't want to fight without more time to rest.

Miranda wasn't going to win a decision by that point...what does a one or two point deduction matter to him?

It's becoming too easy for fighters to buy time they shouldn't be allowed following knockdowns and I don't think point deductions are enough of a penalty for it.

 

Well, it would certainly be fair to make the guy fight until there is a lull in the boxing, but...

sometimes a guy seems like he is okay, but he gets friggin clocked with the next punch the guy throws. Now imagine that the guy's teeth go through his lips and cheeks...so even if it is 'more fair', it's too risky for the sport.

 

It's not 'becoming too easy', it's been this way as long as I can remember.

When a guy tackles his opponent trying to buy time, it is often called a knockdown pretty much meaning that the guy loses a point, similar to the penalty for spitting out a mouthpiece. Likewise, when you do either, you put yourself at risk of the ref stopping it.

While I agree with much of what you are saying, I don't see a better alternative. And with the way fights are scored, a guy can almost never be sure that he isn't in the fight...for instance, spinks could have been knocked down twice in the last round and still one the fight on one card.

 

I wouldn't actually support making a fighter fight the rest of a round without his mouthpiece. I was just writing that for effect, it's not practical.

 

Smoger was 100 percent correct and Merchant should apologize over the air for being clearly wrong. He had to wash out the mouthpiece and put it back in. He also took the point after the round not pausing and pointing to the judges.

 

Agree, you can nut a guy in the balls to. Shit's going to happen sometimes and a smart fighter is going to take advantage of every loophole he can to buy time sometimes.

People act pissed off over what Coralles and Miranda did and then the same people get pissed when another fighter quits in the ring. Coralles and Miranda were doing everything they could do to stay in a fight during times when they were obviously very hurt.

Penalize them if you have to but I think it would be stupid to DQ them. If they keep getting knocked down and doing it over and over it's going to get stopped eventually anyways.

 

dsimon writes:

:: :: Ouuuuchchchcch!

 

dsimon writes:

Steve is a great ref. Boxing is a sport and athletes do find loopholes, part of the game.

 

Smoger is one of the better refs, we've seen too many fights get stopped too early recently and that probably prompted him to let this one go on, though I admit a little too long, as much as I dislike Miranda I hope he's OK

 

I don't get the "he should have called off the fight since it was obvious Miranda was trying to buy time to recuperate", of course he was, but, if he had taken a knee soon after rising, it would have been basically the same ( in fact, Miranda would have had more time to recuperate, don't know if there's the 3 kd rules was in effect thougt ), so to take 1 point after intentionnaly spitting your mouthpiece was the appropriate move to make. Good call as usual by Smoger, one of the few good ref in the game.

 

I said it because he spit the mouthpiece out after Smoger's count of the knockdown, when he was on his feet being asked if he was ok/wanted to continue.

He didn't spit it out as soon as he hit the canvas, he did it when he was standing up...just as Smoger appeared ready to restart the fight.

Smoger had his gloves and appeared to be wiping them off and about to signal the fight to resume...Miranda obviously knew that, which is why he waited until then to spit his mouthpiece out.

 

Actually, that'd be a cool new rule: Fuck with me by spitting out the mouthpiece and making me pick it up and rinse it off, and I get to let the other guy beat you to death.

 

Miranda's actions were not those of a fighter who wanted to continue, IMO, and I think Smoger would have been well within his right to call the fight at that point.

I wasn't being serious about the comments of making a fighter - who spits out his mouthpiece on purpose following a knockdown - to fight the rest of the round without it.

However, it's quite ridiculous to act as though fighters haven't fought for significant stretches without a mouhtpiece. There's plenty of examples of fights where a mouthpiece becomes dislodged during a fight and a referee waits until a lull in the action to replace it.

But I'm sure the referees were just waiting around to allow "the other guy beat you to death".

 

Yeah, but by definition, there's a lull in the action when the knockdown occurs. What's he supposed to do? Wait until there's another lull in the action? Miranda spit out his mouthpiece as a survival tactic. Yes, it was blatant, but so was Corrales against Castillo.

 

merchant got so upset because with age he has more trouble disguising his biases. he strongly desired a victory for the humble white kid.

 

A mouthpiece does alot more than just protect a fighter's teeth. Letting Miranda continue without it would be far worse than letting him take more of a beating.