Taylor-Pavlik: Lets get some predictions!

TWIN was "Nice" Enough to Give REED a Choice of THAT or a "Fuck Dallas" T-Shirt...


REED:laughing:

 

Ummmm....for a start, I don't recall Frazier laying a glove on Foreman and secondly, Foreman has a pretty good chin anyway.

I'm just quering why an average puncher such as Taylor stops Pavlik - a guy who took Miranda's (24KOs in 28 fights), bombs. :dunno:
At best, Taylor does what he always does: bores everyone silly for a 12-round decision. :shit:

 

Frazier DID hit Foreman with some good punches in the first fight, but let's assume he didn't for teh argument.....he CERTAINLY did in their second fight and Foreman walked right through them.

Taylor stops Pavlik through accumulation of sharp fast punches and Pavlik punching himself out by the late rounds.

 

Jermaine is going to win easily, yes, but even if a KO looks like presenting itself, I think Manny and Jermaine SHOULD just better air on the side of caution, as he doesnt wanna get snagged by the only weapon the useless white-sloth has, (His extended straight right), if Taylor gets over ambitious while his prey is exhibiting the wobbles, Pavlik might fluke an equivalent to Corrales's notorious "wounded-tiger left hook". Nah mean? :nono:

 

I've said from the beginning that I like Pavlik and I'm staying with that prediction.

Taylor will come out using his jab, trying to keep distance to time Pavlik coming in with his "bow and arrow." If Pavlik can handle that shot (and I believe he can) somewhere around the 5th round he fight will shift. Pavlik will start landing a chopping right hand over Taylor's jab which will prompt Taylor to STOP using his jab. After that, Taylor's arsenal is pretty much shot since he's made it this far being a 1-2 puncher.

Pavlik might not be as athletic as Jermain (which is saying something considering how piss poor Jermain's footwork is and that's the primary reason Jermain never throws combinations...he's always off balance or out of position to throw the third shot)...

"However"

Fundamentally speaking, Pavlik is more sound that Jermain. Pavlik is a better in-fighter and throws better shots underneath than Jermain.

I'll take another look at both guys sometime this week to get a better feel for the fight, but overall, there's no doubt in my mind that Pavlik wins this one going away. I don't think he stops Taylor, but he gives him one hell of a beating.

I also wanted to point out that the REASON DiBella was willing to make this fight is due to it supposedly being the last on his contract with Taylor. Taylor tried to leave him once before and I doubt Taylor will re-sign with DiBella.

It's also interesting for there to be so many questions about Jermain's chin when he's never been down and Pavlik has. Then again, Pavlik has fought guys who can thump and one would expect he'd get buzzed once or twice. No matter what Jermain says, I think Winky buzzed him once or twice in their fight.

 

That 2nd fight - Fraizer was a joke by then and thus, this does not count.

Taylor can't punch for shit - you can punch harder than Taylor.

 

Taylor hits harder and is rougher, tougher and has more heart than his recent fights would suggest.

The main reason why Hopkins wasn't able to impose his will on Taylor in either fight (whether you think Bernard won or not) was because Jermaine hits hard enough to keep even Bernard honest. Also, in the second fight, Taylor immediately went to roughhouse tactics in the first round by tieing Bernard up and rabbit punching him. This thwarted Bernard's attack.

Taylor has many advantages over Pavlik (many on the intangible side) that people are forgetting:

Taylor has far more championship and big fight experience.
Taylor has Manny Stewart in his corner.
Taylor has faced a HUGE talented Middlweight before (Hopkins)
Taylor is FAST
Taylor is a good body puncher.
Taylor does not give up all the way to the end.

 

Taylor wins this easy. I can't believe this is close to an even money fight.

I want Taylor to go as soon as possible, but it isn't going to Pavlik.

Even if you think he lost, he did hold his own against Hopkins, Wright and Spinks.

Pavlik has no defense. In the 5th round Miranda hit him with 3 haymaker right hands in a row. When Taylor starts pumping the jab, with the straight right over the top, Pavlik won't know what to do.

Everyone Pavlik has fought so far has stood in front of him. His hand and foot speed are average, but it hasn't cost him yet because he hasn't been in with anyone who uses movement.

Pavlik's only chance is to land a one-punch KO. Even Miranda made Pavlik look sloppy at the start of the 7th. If he hurts Taylor, i can't see him being able to finish him.

Taylor jabs, moves, clinches and generally outboxes Pavlik in a dull fight with little excitement.

Taylor by near shutout, put the house on it.

 

I'll take Pavlik by decision but i'm not overly confident in the pick.

 

yes... and you can argue that he's 1-3-1 in those fights - and oddly enough, the one clean win was arguably his most mediocre performance.

this is the same Manny Steward that was last seen arguing with Taylor for not following his instructions throughout the Spinks fight, right?

... who doesn't fight like Pavlik, orhit anywhere near as hard or often

which would be great if this were a track meet (unless that's Taylor's plan)

not sure I completely agree, but will concede this is as perhaps your most relevant point in this post (if not thread)

you might want to rewatch the Ouma, Hopkins I and even Joppy, then revisit this claim.

 

To answer in order...

1). Yes, he's got more big fight experience but he's the one with confidence issues not Pavlik.

2). Steward can't fight for him. I don't think Taylor has the temperment to deal with Steward when Manny gets rattled (ex. Lemmon during the Tyson fight)

3). The Hopkins fight isn't prep because Hopkins didn't come to fight. Pavlik will.

4). Taylor is faster than Pavlik, but he rarely let's combinations go. The way he draws back that right hand opens him up for counters.

5). Taylor is NOT a good body puncher. He's mostly a head hunter with a tendency for over-shooting his right hand.

6). Taylor is a tough kid and will fight to the end; "however" we saw a little bit of bitch come out in him in the first Hopkins fight when he turned his back several times after getting hurt.

 

Sly's been taken to school twice in just a few minutes.

:bears:

 

hahaha...we shall see who has schooled whom after the outcome of this fight! That's why I LOVE live fights as opposed to Mythical Matchups!!

 

You're full of shit....or you've been playing 'Fight Night 3' with Taylor too often.


P.S. Make that 3 school-trips for Sly in 5 posts.

 

The Taylor pickers are referencing Taylor's speed, jab and boxing ability and saying that Pavlik is slow. He is, that much is true. Look at Taylors fight with Winky, Winky can't punch through a wet paper bag and yet he backed Taylor up all night and landed a lot of punches. Winky is every bit as slow as Pavlik but Pavlik punches way harder. Taylor has never been hard to hit. Pavlik will land plenty and at some point hurt Taylor and when that happens look for Pavlik to finish the show. TKO 6 via ref stoppage or Taylors corner stopping the punishment.

 

You flatter yourself! You school no one.

 

Schooled, I tell you......schooled!!!! ::

 

REED gets the "Best post of the thread" award.:clap:

This has everything we as boxing fans should want, and hopefully for a boxing, a STAR will be born with Pavlik winning in huge fashion in a great fight.

Pavlik TKO10

:cheer:

 

I wont mind if Pavlike were to win, may the best man win and all that, but I will be rooting for Taylor.

 

Always bet on black - Slystaff

 

ahahahaha!

Anyone who knows me KNOWS that I ALWAYS root for the Klitschkos, even when Vitali was fighting Lennox Lewis. :nono:

 

Racist! ::

 

Sly,

Everyone knows I own you; however, when you continuously make statements like this it's difficlut because the price of Slystaff stock is PLUMMETING!!

:shit:

 

Sly sometimes you talk utter crap.

Taylor is a good body puncher? You just pulled that from thin air.

I've never seen Taylor give a sustained body attack OR really hurt anyone to the body.

Also, Taylor is not fast. For a world class fighter Pavlik's speed is probably below average, that's clearly not an area where Pavlik excels, so although Taylor is faster than Pavlik, he is hardly a speed demon.

 

As I pointed out, he's been playing 'Fight Night 3' too often....

 

And if Taylor is so fast why couldn't he beat Winky to the punch? He got backed up and out landed by slow little Winky!

 

Pavlik on points 116-112

 

All depends on how Taylor fights.

The JT that was aggressive and let his hands go will make a fight out of it and in doing so, could get beat up in the process.

The Taylor that has shown up in his last 2-3 fights however will stink the joint out en route to a boring decision win.


My feeling is that Taylor will come out and throw down with Pavlik in a war where both fighters get hurt, but in the end, Pavlik's power prevails and wins him the fight. Taylor however will earn alot of respect after this fight and nobody will question his heart again.

 

I didn't think there would be so many picking Pavlik.


WAR PAVLIK!!

 

Pavlik is going to brutalise Taylor...I've been saying this for years now, glad to see a lot of people on the bandwagon now.