Thanks for NATHAN,Dirrell & Stevens...

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Dirrell is a superb talent.

Unless you haters get very lucky, his fights will remain on hbo/showtime from now on because he's not going to lose.

Hadn't heard about his brother's cancer problems. Too friggin bad becaue he's like Andre in the skill department, but is very offensive-minded. Sort of like Anthony vs Lamont or Wlad vs Vitali (when they were coming up).

Stevens is a good fighter to watch. Just because he got stalled-out by Dirrell doesn't mean he's done for. He'll get his title shot(s). Don't ever see him breaking the Calz Kessler hold, but thanks to the IBF there's always going to be a belt around and he's not in bad shape against Berrio or that ilk.

 

Well, if he couldn't do anything against Dirrell he isn't likely to beat Bute, who's next in line to challenge for the IBF title.

And as you suggest, he would have no chance against Calzaghe or Kessler.

 

:nono: not unless he is going to fight the top guys at 168 any time soon...HBO won't give him another date unless he is moving up in competition...setting himself up to fight the likes of Calzaghe, Lacy, Kessler, etc..the guy is boring as hell and hbo won't waste any more dates on him.

 

I doubt this very much. For one, Goossen (his promoter) just doesn't have a deep enough stable to keep his face plasted on such cards. Perhaps he goes back to ShoBox from here. HBO isn't going to have him back anytime soon, and unless he's matched well enough, I can't even see him in Showtime Championship Boxing cards.

Stevens is most certainly in bad shape, against anyone that can fight a little bit. He's fucked in that he most likely won't be able to shrink down to middleweight (where he's already at a size disadvantage as it is) and as illustrated last night, he's too small, too slow and too unskilled to campaign at super middleweight.

 

at Dirrell "not going to lose."

He is as Jake and other puerto ricans say, "basura."

 

Dirrell is talent in that he has the ability to make his opponent look bad. He has very little ability to actually make himself standout though. He doesn't have the intangibles, or the chin for the elite level.

 

Precisely. And when you take a look at the current TV movement, which is going out of its way to freeze out guys like Joel Casamayor, Zahir Raheem, Cory Spinks, etc... you have to believe that Dirrell will either have to settle for ESPN money for quite some time, or change up styles. Changing up styles could lead to exposing his chin and/or dropping his "0" so... get used to ESPN2/Telefutura/ShoBox/LowBudget PPV prelims for a while.

 

I agree with that and I expect to see him pushed onto the undercard of some HBO PPV's for a while, hopefully in an effort to catch the eye of the fan with an out of character performance.

People have got to realise, this is one professional sport where winning just isn't good enough. If the Spurs were a professional prize fighter...they'd be complaining how little money and exposure they were getting. At the end of the day, unless you are an absolutely spectacular talent and have the runs on the board; you live and die by how the fans react to you. Because of this, at this point in time, Andre Dirrell doesn't have as bright a future as many believe.

 

I had never seen those clowns fight but I never want to again. I would like to think Stevens is watchable against someone who doesnt' run but I really don't care.

 

He's not going to lose. I'll give 6-1 for every future fight...no backing out until he loses and you get $60. I'll take $10 for every win.

The comparisons to Floyd are convenient, but not correct. Dirrell is more like Roy, than Floyd. Far more defensive oriented. Think of Roy's safe, boring wins. Dirrell can do that every time, I'm guessing.

And yeah, I agree that it isn't all that fun to watch when he plays safe and his chin might suck which could blow it all up, but I do disagree with people thinking he's not that good.

And many fighters have proven that you can get very rich even if you are boring...Ottke, Roy, Whitaker, and Hill come to mind. While I agree that some good, but boring fighters are getting shut out...Dirrell has the current olympian thing going and the zero and he's an American.

 

These guys have been on television at least 8x each before. How have you not seen either?

 

well if he fights a top 10 guy ur on

 

I'm not waiting until he fights a champ. You're the one calling him junk. You've got 7 fights to break even or win a little if he loses. Starting right now. Si o no?

And if anyone beats you to it, they can have mY offer. I expect to make a lot of money if anyone does...relatively speaking, anyway.

 

if he spends 2 years going the JCC jr. route (or senior for that matter) then I'm sure he'll keep winning. Once he fights a decent guy, he'll lose

 

Please, Dirrell blows smoke balls, the guy sucks ass and to be honest he isn't even that talented. Hell, Roy took twice as many chances in his fights as this poser does. He's already running before he throws his punches. I knew the first time I watched this guy that he was soft and he proves me correct everytime out. It's a shame more people didn't grow up emilating Shane Mosley rather than Roy Jones and Mayweather. Still, it's a lot easier to mimick Roy than Floyd. I believe you can train people to do what Roy did, but to do what Floyd does takes the kind of skill you have to be born with.

 

The sport would be in much better shape than it is.

 

Lots of people hadn;t seen Stevens. It's not like he was on nationwide TV. Dirrell has been but Stevens is just regional pretty much. I don;t think he has ever been on my TV. :dunno:

 

I'd never seen Stevens either.

For his height and weight class, Stevens would be LUCKY to have the career of John Brown.

 

I've got him on an am fight on foxsports against allan green back in 2002.
And then 12 fights on Broadway fights on MSG. I assume (incorrectly) that everyone gets MSG so point taken.

 

So where are all of these Roy imitators?

Both Floyd and Roy do things that can't be taught, but generally, Floyd relies on more things that can be learned...for instance, his dad did the same things with far less natural ability.

 

BULLSHIT...

Floyd DOESN'T have 1/4 the Natural TALENT that Roy was Blessed w/:nono: ...How Many OTHER 35 Year Old Cats have EVER Done the Things Roy was Doing N a Ring???...

To Mimic Roy,U Run the Risk of Getting Done like Roy Got Done by Tarver...Floyd WILL Get KO'ed B 4 he's 35,if he Fights that Looooooong...

CLEARLY,Floyd is More of a "By the Book" Fighter,whereas Roy was More IMPROVISATIONAL...

Take Roy's 5 BEST Fights & they SHIT on Floyd's 5 Best Fights...

EASILY...

Not Really Sure WHY U Persist N HATING on Roy to the Degree U Do,but @ Least B TRUTHFUL N what u Say,Dog...


REED

 

When Roy was 35, he got KO´d by Tarver, KO´d by Johnson, and was scared to death by Tarver.

 

WRONG!!!!:nono:

Roy was @ Least 36-37 when he was Scared of Tarver N the Rubber Match...


REED:tease:

 

Do you actually get angry when I diss people you like or is it a habit that your posts come out sounding like they're written by Stephen A. Smith? That aside, I'm not hating on Roy, but I do think that what he had (amazing reflexes and speed) can be taught easier than what Floyd does which is great defense. I mean obviously it won't be on the same level as either Roy or Floyd, but we already got Dirrell impersonating him, and I remember another cat who did it also years ago, but he was less effective with it. Hell even Gainer was little more than a Roy knock off, stylewise. I don't see why that is such an insult. I mean Mosley would be easier to emulate than both of them, well as long as the fighter is tough enough.

 

Uuuuuuuh,HOW can U "Teach" Speed & Reflexes???:dunno: ...

U Either HAVE them or U DON'T...Floyd has them to a LESSER Degree than Roy Jones...

R U BOTHERED by Soooo Many Mimicking Roy's Style???...It's a Form of FLATTERY & a Testament to just How GOOD Roy was...He was WILDLY Successful w/it,but it's Apparent YOU didn't Appreciate it Sooo Much...

Your Prerogative...

2 Answer your Question,NO,REED Isn't the Least Bit "Angry"...& WHO is Steven A. Smith???


REED

 

I can't believe someone said you can "teach" reflexes. That's absurd. Reflexes can be sharpened, but that's about it.

I agree with REED that Roy was more naturally blessed than Floyd. Floyd's better fundamentally and that's his greatest asset. Also, Floyd's not as blessed defensively as you'd think. If more opponents used the correct tactic and took what was available, they'd have better success against him.

The style he uses can prolong a career, but in the long run you suffer significant damage. Look at James Toney.

Speaking of which, I always thought Roy's strategy vs Toney is damn near the perfect way to fight a guy like that. Throw to the body and always step to your right so when they come back to roll the right hand, you're out of range.

 

I am for one kind of bothered that younger fighters mimicked Jones' style simply because the VAST majority of fighters do not have the quick reflexes and speed that Jones possesed in his prime. The handsdown reactionary approach Jones took a lot of the time simply won't work with guys like Dirrell, Bojado, Litzau et al.

 

And those guys have all discovered how special Roy truly was.

 

Fair Enough...

REED Doesn't Mind it, Cause it's a HIGH RISK Way of Fighting, as Litzau (& even Roy,Eventually) Found Out...



REED