The Amir Khan is a total douchebag Bandwagon

But you are also very stupid.

 

Sanctioning bodies are like labor unions. Corrupt, useless and in the way.

 

Wahh. You are very very stupid.

 

Let's hear your version???

For me, the networks are more than capable of resolving this shit.

We know they already sell fighters who have no belts. They promote guys as "#1" when they have no belt and urge the public to part with their money on that basis. "Forget the belts...these guys are the best fighters".

I can't even remember what belt Manny Pacquaio has right now or what belt Margarito vs Cotto was for.

Its up to the networks. They, along with ex-boxer colour commentators, decide who are the fighters that deserve the paydays and the accolades.

TV has the power. Not the sanctioning bodies.

 

That's exactly my point. We all know who the best fighters are - and like you, I have no idea who holds what belt or even which top fighters actually have belts.

Morales and Pacquiao took a steamy poop on the idea that belts are some kind of necessity.

The idea a young fighter might "need" some paper belt to get exposure is proof the system is broken.

 

The primary haters of labor unions are people who are not in them and/or those who have employees who are. I'm sure you fit into one of these two classes, right?

Corrupt? Some are. Fix the problem.

Useless? Good luck finding a majority of union members who think so.

In the way? Sure, in the way of running over employees and in the way of getting run over by employers.

I'm not a fan of unions, btw. But they exist because they were warranted at one point. And they still exist because workers still want them.

 

a substantive post? From you? Not exactly insightful, but it's a start.

The only reason 99% of us know who the top fighters are is because we can refer to rankings established by sanctioning bodies.

If networks were international and had an incentive to recognize the best fighters, they could step into the roll of sanctioning bodies. But they aren't, and they don't. They have the incentive to reap the rewards of the legitimacy sanctioning bodies give to fighters and they have the incentive to strip the power from the sanctioning body once they have such a fighter under contract. Remove sanctioning bodies from the equation and shit falls apart immediately because networks aren't structured to replace them.

So what is a better way for a young fighter to get exposure?

This is where you resort back to quips, btw. You are surely out of your depth.

 

The sanctioning bodies- and this is the main thrust of my argument against them- have not done a single damned thing for boxing which could not already be done by an existing branch or facet of the sport.

For instance- a WBC vs IBF title unification brings in money, because it is a "unification" and because that is a selling point.

So what?

Suppose there is no sanctioning body? All the networks have to do is pick a guy to be champ and then, by us watching the fights, we will decide who the #1 contender is.

Hell, thats a unification fight, same as. Champ vs #1 Contender. Winner takes all. Same thing.

The best way for fighters to get more exposure is have more televised fights. A guy isn't any more "exposed" to me because he has a paper title that I didn't see him win, is he?? But if he has a ranking he got by beating other named contenders, and I saw him do it, if I saw him beat #17, #14 and #12, then I can kind of accept that he is fringe top-10 stuff.

None of this requires the sanctioning bodies.

Look at the word in its literal sense. "Sanction"...what do they sanction that we can't??? What do they sanction that the various networks can't??? :dunno:

 

First, fuck you, you cunt.

I don't necessarily agree it's up to the networks - in my mind, the way I follow boxing (and the way most of the hardcore fans I know follow boxing) the belts have long been irrelevant. The fans who watch all the fights know who the best fighters are, the (limited) media knows who the best fighters are.

Perhaps a real, fair sanctioning body is something that could work. How am I supposed to follow an organization that says Robert Stieglitz is the best Super Middle in the world?
Or another who it telling me Cornelius Bundrage is the champion of the fucking world at 154?
Not to mention the organization that says Erik Morales is the premier junior welter. Or the org that, with a straight face, tells me Andre Ward AND Karoly Balzsay are both World Champions.

It's all trash. And we're getting to the point where you don't need an ABC to sell a fight... that's nice.

Young fighters looking for exposure shouldn't be paraded as World Champs. It cheapens the term. They should earn exposure by fighting all the time and working their way up. If they're world class fighters, they'll get noticed.

EVERY one of these current sanctioning bodies are either corrupt or simply wrong. It's such an old argument and I'm frankly disgusted that anyone would defend them.

 

How is that bias against Khan?

Peterson's name is in the running for a match against Pacquiao which certainly brings him more money. Why wouldn't he wait and see if that comes to fruition?

Secondly, it's nothing like the Rahman/Lewis deal. Now I'm wondering if you know what transpired.

 

If workers wanted them, they wouldn't need to force workers to join them. They've long out-lived their purpose. Primarily, they're a lobby at this point that kills jobs and breeds mediocrity.

 

Idiocy.

 

This ^

 

Call me a cunt all you want, stud. If it results in you making some real posts, it will be worth it.

Being a world champion doesn't mean you are the best, it means you hold a world title belt from a recognized sanctioning body.

The sanctioning bodies provide far more quality control for world titles than we should expect from an entity that has ulterior motives, i.e. a television channel, a magazine or from entities who do not lose from their mistakes in ranking or benefit from being correct, i.e. boxing writers and fans.

As I have said many times before, ranking fighters is a hard, very time-consuming enterprise if done with integrity. 17 weight classes * 15 deep rankings * ## more that you need to be familiar with + champions of other sanctioning bodies who lose, but would fit in to your top 15, and on and on and on.

This is not something that television stations are interested/capable in doing and this is not something that even big boxing fans are qualified to do. Sanctioning bodies provide a framework to make the sport work in the full sense, not just the naive dreamland at the very top of the sport where alternatives seem like a possibility if you don't dig too deep.

The sanctioning bodies have the greatest incentive to have the best fighters as their champions. They are competing with the other sanctioning bodies for credibility. Competition is good. Sure, they also have a monetary incentive--a la JC Chavez Jr, Saul Alvarez--so some fighters may be elevated prematurely, but that's going to be the case no matter who runs the show. The benefit to having multiple sanctioning bodies is the idea that whoever gets leapfrogged unfairly is still going to get a title shot because the other sanctioning bodies have an incentive to get the best even if they miss out on the cash cow.

Pissing and moaning about the sanctioning bodies is easy. So is bitching about politicians or political parties. But alternative methodologies in boxing make as much sense and have as much chance to come to fruition as a 3rd party coming to prominence in USA politics.

The current model works and has worked for a long, long time. I don't know if a better model is possible, but I do know, without a smidgen of doubt, that a better model will not be proposed by you.

One possible alternate model is the UFC model. I do not think that model will work in boxing, but it is not permitted at this point, anyway, so the point is moot.

 

There is far more televised boxing on tv in the US than a regular person or even a big fan can keep up with. This isn't counting the internet. This is the case, even though the talent pool in the US is far below what it has been in the past compared to the rest of the world.

Foreign, unwatched fighters gain a significant amount of credibility for winning and defending legitimate titles even when they are not televised. Their accomplishments create far more legitimacy than a simple #3 ranking by BoxingGodsAreUs. Who should a Klitschko fight after they've wiped out all name opponents? Look to the other champs, look to the rankings of the sanctioning bodies, don't rely on HBO to sell another shit American.

 

I think you make some good points, especially regarding the inability and lack of inclination of T.V. networks to perform the necessary due dilligence to provide rankings that extend beyond the two or three fighters from four or five weight classes that actually make TV appearances.

But I'd question your statement that the current model works. It functions - I wouldn't say it does what it's supposed to do.

 

mikE, you're overlooking the regional, national and continental rating agencies/championships. If a superfeatherweight is making a splash in the west of scotland scene(Ricky Burns or Scott Harisson, say), getting a scottish and eventually British title fight is a given via word of mouth, a regional following, the results being noticed by the BBBC, etc. From there he's in contention for European title eliminators and onwards it progresses. I can't really see a better system than that and frankly I don't see at what stage an alphabet body makes a useful contribution to that chain.

All the alphabets have done these last 20 years in the UK is give Warren fighters a branch off from that path to carve out careers on sky tv as pretend champs. They're all lost to the world scene as real contenders.

I'm sure there are parts of the world where the path isn't as well laid out as it is in Britain, but every country in the world setting up a similarly organised, sequential path to the world scene would seem a good alternative to the alphabet soup.

 

Explain what you think it should do and why you don't think it is doing it. I am all for trying to improve what we have. Depending on what you are referring to, if anything specific, my use of 'works' might not be any stronger than 'functions'. They are synonyms, although I suppose they can be distinguished at times.

I would be all for replacing what we have if a better model could be created.

 

We already have this system functioning alongside the sanctioning bodies. Different regions probably do get a boost from different sanctioning bodies...not sure how accurate my stereotypes are these days, but I would say something like...IBF favors North American...WBC favors Mexico...WBA favors South America...WBO favors Europe...WBC and WBA get Japan...

The problem with trimming it down is that who establishes that the Argentine champion deserves a title shot before the Japanese guy? Or the Brit? With multiple sanctioning bodies, this concern is negated. It doesn't matter. They will all get their title shots in a reasonable time (almost always) because they have multiple places to get a title shot. Even though I stated some biases in the previous paragraph, it's not like the sanctioning bodies won't go everywhere. Japan is perhaps the only place that keeps out certain sanctioning bodies and that is to their own detriment, imo.

 

Seems to me that once you have a continental ranking agency comparable to the EBU then those problems take care of themselves. Once you're Asian Champion or South American champion and those titles mean something you have a cachet you can leverage to campaign towards the world scene.

 

Peterson's camp talk sense, not Khan.

From boxing scene website.

Unfortunately, we are in this process of dealing with these unfounded protests. It would be an understatement to characterize Lamont as being disappointed in the unprofessional manner in which Khan is attempting to discredit his performance in the ring and victory. We were raised to conduct ourselves where Champions display professionalism, both in victory and defeat. Lamont previously tasted defeat and handled it the way it should be handled - - he worked harder on areas that needed improvement to maximize his performance in the ring. Now, he is World Champion....

http://www.boxingscene.com/team-peterson-respond-amir-khan-golden-boy-protests--48382

 

:bears:

 

mikE, to my surprise and his credit, is bang on the money with regard to labor unions. Credit to him for a prescient point.

Double L, on the other hand, is a reader of Ayn Rand books, apparently.

 

After his defense of unions mikE is now my number one guy, love him long time

 

Emeritus love?

 

I laughed out loud.

 

but did you knew mayorga before he fought Andrew Lewis ( due to him being wba mandantory ) ???? Who would have fought him if he wasn't ??? It's easy to blast the sanctionning bodies, but, unlike entity like the Ring wich are very N.A.-UK centered, the sactionning bodies are present nearly everywhere. Plus, imo, the mandantory challenger concept is fundamental in boxing so that no fighter can be avoided indefinitively. Now, don't get me wrong, the way the sanctionning bodies acts right now, and in the past, is laughable, and they have made far too much fools of themselves to be expected to be taken seriously. The model is right, but the players needs to be changed and some additionnal measure of control needs to be adopted too for it not to become the same joke it is now.

 

credit where it is due:bears:

 

mikE, how chuffed are you with your newfound popularity?

 

Not sure what chuffed means and the internet says 'pleased with one's self' in one place and 'annoyed; displeased' in another.

I'm indifferent at this point.

Luckily, I know that I'm only one unpopular (but correct) post away from regaining mY old status.