The biggest upset since Tyson-Douglas?

same here

When I saw the first fight, he looked sick to me but he still won it (somebody forgot to tell Tarver that rounds 11 ande 12 count)

I figured he'd be acclimated by the second fight

But when I saw him, I told the friend I was watching it with "he still looks DIFFERENT" ... I figured from there he would struggle again but probably win... the KO was shocking, especially because the punch didn't even appear to be all that hard, but he fell as if shot... big time shock

 

I was too young for Tyson/Douglas... and I didn't see Lewis/Rahman I live.

Jones/Tarver II will always be the shock I compare to all all other shocks.

"Down does Jones on a HARD LEFT HAND... and that is THE MOST that Roy Jones HAS EVER BEEN HURT" Jim

"It's OVER... WOAHHHH" Larry

I still don't really believe that happened.

 

This. I always chalked it up to my paranoia as a Lennox fan but leading up to the fight I was incredibly worried. The whole situation: Lennox coming in heavy, Rahman being at altitude the whole time, Lennox filming Oceans 11, and whatever Rahman did or didn't have we all knew he could throw a 1-2 combination with some authority. Wouldn't have bet on it, but I was not shocked to see that happen (despite my screams at the telly when it actually occurred).

The biggets gambling upset I have seen since Douglas-Tyson, and I haven't followed all of them, was Sanders-Wlad. Sanders was +3000 the day before the match. 30-1.

 

yeah, it was a big surprise. I was totally amazed

 

What's even worse with me is that I didn't even see the punch. I just remember Jones being down and getting counted out. I was like:

 

you were like a red X

sorry, man, I can't see anything

 

It's true. Boxing, today, needs a major upset.

 

All true. i wasn't even surprised at the time. Especially when he came in overweight.

 

Of all the things boxing needs I don't think that comes very high. For instance I don't think boxing would be in 1% better shape if Ortiz had beatn Floyd or if Pac loses to Marquez. Worse if anything.

It definitely needs some major fights to be exciting tho.

 

As Mex said, it wasn't so much that he won (as the first fight was so competitive), it's THE WAY Tarver took Roy out which was so shocking. NOBODY saw that coming, what's more is that Tarver was so cocky before the fight and during, it's like he knew he was going to win, and nobody spoke to Roy like that and got away with it -

"You got any excuses tonight Roy??"

To McGirt in his corner after he says Tarver is showing Roy too much respect -

"Don't use that word round here, he don't respect me, I'm going to go out and get my respect" (or something to that effect), and then he goes out there and flattens Roy. Just like that.

Sanders-Klitschko is right up there for me too.

 

I thought Roy would have trouble with Tarver the first time out, but still thought he'd win. I'd seen Roy the previous week at PBF-N'Dou and said at the time his skin color looked awful so I knew he had issues making the weight.

Like you, I thought he'd be back in form for the rematch seeing he'd brought Mackie Shilstone in and he'd gotten to weight the proper way.

The shot by Tarver was an absolute perfect shot...Roy didn't make a mistake...his glove was properly positioned, Tarver had a few inches to land that shot between the glove and chin and he landed it perfectly (hile looking at his shoes, eyes closed).

By far the biggest shock since Tyson-Douglas. maybe moreso...at least with Tyson-Douglas the writing was on the wall...Mike was getting his ass handed to him save for the knockdown.

A few seconds before Tarver landed the left Manny Steward says, "Roy is still having trouble with Tarver.."

 

Tarver/Jones II easily

 

Depends if the Q mean purely in terms of result I suppose. There were probably much bigger upsets at the bookies than Tarver getting the W in that fight by stoppage, but none bigger than seeing Jones go out like THAT.:jaw:

 

Yep.

And it's not only that, but a lot of people (not just Roytoys) thought Jones Jr was only out of form for the first fight because of the weight loss, and would come back and destroy Tarver.

 

I didn't track it exactly, but I know that Corrie Sanders had longer odds to win vs. Wlad even if you took the prop bet of Tarver to win via KO/TKO/DQ in rounds 1-3. I can;t even imagine what those same prop odds were for Sanders.

 

you mustve had a last minute change of heart after seeing this because you sure did seem to think he was going to beat tarver down with ease up until then.

 

I think the weight drain excuse is/was very legit, personally.

 

Me too. It wasn't just that he said he was drained... you could see it. His face hasn't looked the same since.

 

"Like I said before" I thought he'd whup Tarver's ass easily until I saw him the week before. Didn't look good at all. I spoke with Bigdawg and Jake that night (or the next day) and said as much based on how he looked.

 

in that case, excellent call Emuzsuel.:clapagain:

 

Not after the Tarver fight. :Lok:

I meant the night of or the day after PDF-N'Dou which was the week before Jones-Tarver I.

Gainer fought Marquez on that undercard and Roy was there. Lampley interviewed Roy between fights.

 

I go with Willy Salazar over Danny Romero. I rated Romero very highly p4p and Salazar was like 40-20. That fight makes Rocky over Creed look average.

Wlad had already been Purritty'd (although fatigue) so I don't think getting blasted out by Sanders was a miracle, although I agree it was a big upset. Part of my problem with that fight was that ESPN announced the result before it was televised and my dumbfuck friend told me about it.

I really don't agree with Rahman over Lewis, though. Lewis had already been blasted out by a better opponent, McCall.

Pacq beating Barrera is not such a big upset. It was just a very surprising fight because of the manner in which he did it. This isn't the right thread for that fight.

Lennox did beat one great heavyweight in his prime--Vitali.

 

His balance and coordination looked worse than it'd been before in the first Tarver fight.

 

So Wlad shouldn't have been so highly rated going in vs. Sanders because of the loss to Purrity? That sounds like some sort fo conspiracy to hate on Wladimir, devised by the evil media in the United States. Do you work for the Ring magazine????

 

1st time for everything, haha.

I think odds are the best way to determine big upsets so I like the Wlad/Sanders pick because you have backed it up. But I wonder what the odds were for Wlad/Purritty?

 

:atu:

 

Yep.

 

Fuck. That's a good point. I definitely was not tracking that one. The odds had to be longer, pure speculation, but just think... undefeated, hyped, gold medalist, tall, in Germany.... I can't imagine it.

 

miguel barrera losing to edgar cardenas was a huge upset. he suffered brain damage and was forced to retire too.

i thought mullings knocking out norris was a huge upset too.

 

Like others have said here I was too young for Tyson vs. Douglas...so Jones vs. Tarver II was the most shocking moment related to boxing that I have ever been through....Crazy thing is I didn't even see it LIVE...i was HERE on a round by round thread...and everyone was typing "unbelievable", "holy shit", "WTF", "DAMN"....I starting asking "what what happen"....first one to respond was Anthony...."Roy Jones got KNOCK THE FUCK OUT"....:tick:...a few hours later I got to see a clip of the KO....shocking....

And down goes Jones on a hard left hand...and that is the most/or worst?? Roy Jones has ever been hurt....

Those word are imprinted in my mind....along with..."Hopkins imposing his will and his skill on the man who is tonight the lesser fighter"....