The Daily Obamanation .... ALL ROLLED INTO ONE

Well My wife does scare me at times ... ::

Sorry to see you went back to misquoting the comment, so I can't help you. :doh:

I know your doing it on purpose. I think I may start doing it to you. I'll have to decide if I want to lower myself.

 

I love you Nobleart.:bears:

 

I'm not misquoting anything. I posted a direct quote, and you can't back up your statement.

 

I can agree with most of this ... that's why I've said so many times that I hate religion and do not go to any church.

Having said that , once again I say ...

The million dollar question here , that everyone seems to be missing is ....

Is this the type of church and faith the PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA should belong and subscribe to ?

If this were Paul's I would be bashing him BIGTIME.

Remember when I posted some of that shit from Hucksterbee about religion , people were all over him. I'm sorry but this is even worse.

This is not a UNITING faith , it's separatist and divisive , and where Obama spends his Sundays feeding his faith which is usually a mans deepest convictions.

 

I love you too Baron. :bears:


.........but in a brotherly non-gay way. :nono:

 

Yeah then you went right back you misquoting it and got an F in English 101.

 

name ron pauls church so we can investigate...or maybe you are too scared to learn the truth...::

 

I told you ... look it up. You won't find anything to talk about.

I challenge you to. :clap:

But in all seriousness Tap ... I have no problem with you , and you know this isn't a race issue.

Would YOU consider this to be proper curriculum at a church that is supposed to be preaching the unity and love of Christ ?

How about the kind of church the leader of our country should be attending ?

 

He belongs/belonged (honestly I don't even know at this point) to a black congregation. Much like Mitt Romney and Joe Lieberman and John F. Kennedy and George W. Bush and Abraham Lincoln and George Washington belonged to almost entirely if not completely white congregations.

I don't care. He doesn't stump religion in his politics and hopefully he respects the seperation of church and state, which I have reason to believe up until this point he does.

He's a black presidential candidate who doesn't have the title "Reverand" before his name. That right there says just about all I need to know about his supposed "convictions".

 

Fair enough ... :bears:

So if Paul attended an Arian Only church that taught good Arian values and pride ... it would be OK. So long as he wasn't a reverend and didn't talk about it?

 

So pathetic

:doh:

 

Of course.:doh:

 

I've already expressed my views on the so-called "double standard" and it has already been pointed out by somebody else that Obama's church celebrates "heritage", not "supremacy".

 

...............not like a Klitschko brother though, not that close. More like a Baldwin brother. We'd get into fistfights and stuff and pledge never to appear in each others movies. I'll be Alec, you can be Stephen, Daniel AND Billy. Just don't embarrass me in front of my friends. :nono:

 

personally, phonetap has no issues with the church but thinks this will be a problem for obama going forward. hillary will claim ignorance but she'll undoubtedly direct her surrogates/staff to make an issue of this. obama better be sitting around with his advisors figuring out how to deal with this. basically he's going to have to lead the charge in regards to hillary's tax returns, bill's business dealings overseas and her connections to high powered lobbyist who are financing much of her campaign. it's time to get down & dirty...:warning:

 

Editted...because I don't want to start a racial firestorm!!!

 

Ahhhh ... ya chicken shit. ::

Seriously Sly ... Everyone here knows you're a religious guy. So I'll pose the question to you ...

Would YOU consider this to be proper curriculum at a church that is supposed to be preaching the unity and love of Christ ?

How about the kind of church the leader of our country should be attending ?

And remember ... God is watching for your answer. :warning:

::

 

:bears:

 

The Church affects Obama's position no doubt about it and he may need to disassociate himself from it to be honest with you.

"However"

There are LOTS of racist white churches...in fact the most racist people in AMerica tend to be the religious ones. So racism in church is nothing new and it's certainly not the minority.

Secondly...Nothing wrong with focussing on the black community for a black church, since NO ONE ELSE IS GOING TO make helping the black community a priority.

If Blacks were already on top economically/socially/politically/numerically or even equal with their white counterparts it would be RACIST...but since they are at the bottom and are trying to pull themselves up....it's not as bad.

Put it this way...in a scenario (mythical) where blacks are in the position of whites and vice versa...and there was a white church doing that...I wouldn't have a problem with it. honestly. And conversely I WOULD have a problem with the blacks doing that.

 

In any event, I think Obama's chance of becoming President are suddenly (in the last two weeks) far more remote than they were at the beginning of February.

IMO..his campaign has been mortally wounded on three accounts:

1. The NAFTA/Canadian embassy debacle
2. Michelle Obama's infamous "First time in my adult life I'm proud of my country"
3. The focus on his church


Even if he beats Clinton, he wont get past McCain now....:doh:

 

the redphone add killed obama, if hillary can get folks to waffle about him on that issue i have no doubt mccain can

its still a tough battle for hillary though, she needs like 80 something percent of the vote the rest of the way, well after obama wins wisconsin and that other one coming up

either way, the longer this goes, the better for mccain

 

Taking your last point first ...

In this day and age ... I would.

Where we talking about a Black Heritage Society I wouldn't find anything wrong with it either. I'm curious , have you visited the site ... because it's much more African centric , than African American centric. Again ... No I have no problem with the African culture , but we're talking about an AMERICAN President. Makes you rethink why Obama's wife felt the need to say she was finally proud of America.

Does that make them right ? Should anyone with racist views of any kind be President of America? Shouldn't the president not see color in our racially diverse society. It would seem choosing such a racially charged church is at the very least a conflict of interest for ALL Americans. That it was his CHOICE to attend that church is even more troubling.

In this day and age should the President of the United States of America , be part of a group that seeks to uplift any race in this country. No matter how well intentioned? Isn't that a conflict for those citizens in this country , not of that group? Shouldn't the president be as neutral as possible ?

As I said before , the hypocrisy of Christianity mixed with building up ones own race is bad enough. Being part of a group preaching racial pride and inequality and justice with talk of oppressors etc etc ... is at the very least a big conflict of interest for a President of the USA.

 

if you think of people as individuals then racism disappears

 

what killed obama is how hillary toyed with the media. she was already crying about the media being harder on her than barack and when saturday night live did skits about it, it strenghtened her position and caused the news media to pause. remember a few weeks back the media pundits were cautioning against going negative on obama because of potential backlash...the bill clinton south carolina fiasco most definitely played a role in that line of thought.

now with the new media at pause, it allowed hillary to go in like dexter and butcher obama's image with photo's and TV adds. one moment she's on saturday night live pretending to be personable and the next she's on 60 minutes giving vague responses about obama's religion. bottom line, she was all over the TV last week...portraying herself in a sympathetic/victim mode while attacking using that cover.

meanwhile, barack was busy defending himself over the NAFTA screwup to effectively respond to the attack adds. chalk one up for hillary...

 

I've got the warm and fuzzies now. ::

 

how is putting down anyone who votes for obama because hes black racist?

voting for someone because they are black is stupid and seems to be more racist to me

 

its true

you only have racism when you look at people as groups

politicians turn campaigns into class and race warfare basically

politicians promise this group and that group this thing and that, it makes people wonder sometimes

if you looked as people as individuals, we wouldnt have these issues as much

 

I agree with this and as such it is my belief that Obama should distance himself from that church. As the president of the US you need to stand for all people not just one race.

 

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:bears:

something we can agree on