The Daily Obamanation .... ALL ROLLED INTO ONE

You mentioned "victim mentality" I questioned this phrase because it implies that racism isn't real and only a mentality. I asked you if this is what you meant, and you didn't answer like a pussy. opcorn:

 

So a guy that says those things in church you don't like, but you don't mind preachers talking about fish swallowing human beings, and reading out of a book that praises slavery and many other stupid things???

 

It's no surprise that someone like InI, who is the biggest example of the victim mentality on this board, would completely fail to comprehend what I wrote, and try to make it sound like I said something I didn't.

TFK

 

It's amazing how TFK can't explain his own logic. :laughing:

 

Dumbass, what I said has nothing to do with racism. People of all colors have victim mentality. You're a perfect example.


TFK

 

So is it real or a mentality???

 

Is 'what' real or a mentality?

TFK

 

The pastors words, do the reflect a mentality or reality. Remember, your comment "victim mentality" was talking about what he said in that clip.

So is what he said real, or just a mentality? opcorn:

 

A little bit from column A, a little bit from column B.

TFK

 

You won't get an argument from me on THAT point. For the better part of this country's history it wasn't an unwritten rule, but a strictly enforced rule in the sense that blacks weren't constitutionally allowed to vote until 1870.

But even after the 15th Amendment, blacks still weren't offered a fair shake in terms of voting. Realistically, it wasn't until the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 that African-Americans honestly had unabated legal ability to vote across the country.

Unfortunately all of those points only enhance, not diminish, the fact that Obama is riding a wave of novelty as the first African-American with a legitimate shot at becoming the President.

With that being said, I think the novelty will wear off before the election. At that point skin color, the thing that has helped Obama the most thus far in his campaign, will become a major obstacle to his getting elected as voters get back in touch with their 'inner racist' while standing in the voting booth.

 

Did Al Sharpton consistently beat John Kerry for the black vote? Did Al Sharpton "sweep the south" the way Obama did? So what's your point?

 

39.9 million African Americans live in the United States, comprising 13.8 percent of the total population.

opcorn:

 

Just curious, what percentage of blacks are registered voters?


TFK

 

Fair enough, well that's almost 90 percent anyway.

Why did African Americans uniformly vote for those 2 candidates in particular?

 

as if you have any clue what the primary numbers were...your point is moot.

 

Obama and the Minister

[FONT=times new roman,times,serif][FONT=times new roman,times,serif]By RONALD KESSLER
March 14, 2008; Page A19

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In a sermon delivered at Howard University, Barack Obama's longtime minister, friend and adviser blamed America for starting the AIDS virus, training professional killers, importing drugs and creating a racist society that would never elect a black candidate president.


The Rev. Jeremiah A. Wright Jr., pastor of Mr. Obama's Trinity United Church of Christ in Chicago, gave the sermon at the school's Andrew Rankin Memorial Chapel in Washington on Jan. 15, 2006.


<table class="imglftbdy" align="left" border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="257"> <tbody><tr><td></td></tr><tr><td class="medcrd">Trinity United Church of Christ/Religion News Service </td></tr><tr><td class="medcptcrd">Sen. Barack Obama and the Rev. Jeremiah Wright</td></tr></tbody></table> "We've got more black men in prison than there are in college," he began. "Racism is alive and well. Racism is how this country was founded and how this country is still run. No black man will ever be considered for president, no matter how hard you run Jesse [Jackson] and no black woman can ever be considered for anything outside what she can give with her body."


Mr. Wright thundered on: "America is still the No. 1 killer in the world. . . . We are deeply involved in the importing of drugs, the exporting of guns, and the training of professional killers . . . We bombed Cambodia, Iraq and Nicaragua, killing women and children while trying to get public opinion turned against Castro and Ghadhafi . . . We put [Nelson] Mandela in prison and supported apartheid the whole 27 years he was there. We believe in white supremacy and black inferiority and believe it more than we believe in God."


His voice rising, Mr. Wright said, "We supported Zionism shamelessly while ignoring the Palestinians and branding anybody who spoke out against it as being anti-Semitic. . . . We care nothing about human life if the end justifies the means. . . ."


Concluding, Mr. Wright said: "We started the AIDS virus . . . We are only able to maintain our level of living by making sure that Third World people live in grinding poverty. . . ."


Considering this view of America, it's not surprising that in December Mr. Wright's church gave an award to Louis Farrakhan for lifetime achievement. In the church magazine, Trumpet, Mr. Wright spoke glowingly of the Nation of Islam leader. "His depth on analysis [sic] when it comes to the racial ills of this nation is astounding and eye-opening," Mr. Wright said of Mr. Farrakhan. "He brings a perspective that is helpful and honest."


After Newsmax broke the story of the award to Farrakhan on Jan. 14, Mr. Obama issued a statement. However, Mr. Obama ignored the main point: that his minister and friend had spoken adoringly of Mr. Farrakhan, and that Mr. Wright's church was behind the award to the Nation of Islam leader.
Instead, Mr. Obama said, "I decry racism and anti-Semitism in every form and strongly condemn the anti-Semitic statements made by Minister Farrakhan. I assume that Trumpet magazine made its own decision to honor Farrakhan based on his efforts to rehabilitate ex-offenders, but it is not a decision with which I agree." Trumpet is owned and produced by Mr. Wright's church out of the church's offices, and Mr. Wright's daughters serve as publisher and executive editor.


Meeting with Jewish leaders in Cleveland on Feb. 24, Mr. Obama described Mr. Wright as being like "an old uncle who sometimes will say things that I don't agree with." He rarely mentions the points of disagreement.


Mr. Obama went on to explain Mr. Wright's anti-Zionist statements as being rooted in his anger over the Jewish state's support for South Africa under its previous policy of apartheid. As with his previous claim that his church gave the award to Mr. Farrakhan because of his work with ex-offenders, Mr. Obama appears to have made that up.


Neither the presentation of the award nor the Trumpet article about the award mentions ex-offenders, and Mr. Wright's statements denouncing Israel have not been qualified in any way. Mr. Obama nonetheless told the Jewish leaders that the award to Mr. Farrakhan "showed a lack of sensitivity to the Jewish community." That is an understatement.


As for Mr. Wright's repeated comments blaming America for the 9/11 attacks because of what Mr. Wright calls its racist and violent policies, Mr. Obama has said it sounds as if the minister was trying to be "provocative."
Hearing Mr. Wright's venomous and paranoid denunciations of this country, the vast majority of Americans would walk out. Instead, Mr. Obama and his wife Michelle have presumably sat through numerous similar sermons by Mr. Wright.


Indeed, Mr. Obama has described Mr. Wright as his "sounding board" during the two decades he has known him. Mr. Obama has said he found religion through the minister in the 1980s. He joined the church in 1991 and walked down the aisle in a formal commitment of faith.


The title of Mr. Obama's bestseller "The Audacity of Hope" comes from one of Wright's sermons. Mr. Wright is one of the first people Mr. Obama thanked after his election to the Senate in 2004. Mr. Obama consulted Mr. Wright before deciding to run for president. He prayed privately with Mr. Wright before announcing his candidacy last year.


Mr. Obama obviously would not choose to belong to Mr. Wright's church and seek his advice unless he agreed with at least some of his views. In light of Mr. Wright's perspective, Michelle Obama's comment that she feels proud of America for the first time in her adult life makes perfect sense.
Much as most of us would appreciate the symbolism of a black man ascending to the presidency, what we have in Barack Obama is a politician whose closeness to Mr. Wright underscores his radical record.


The media have largely ignored Mr. Obama's close association with Mr. Wright. This raises legitimate questions about Mr. Obama's fundamental beliefs about his country. Those questions deserve a clearer answer than Mr. Obama has provided so far.


Mr. Kessler, a former Wall Street Journal and Washington Post reporter, is chief Washington correspondent of Newsmax.com and the author of "The Terrorist Watch: Inside the Desperate Race to Stop the Next Attack" (Crown Forum, 2007).

 

No you're not getting the point.

 

There's a shitload of kids in that figure.

 

Obama's Pastor: God Damn America, U.S. to Blame for 9/11

Obama's Pastor, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Has a History of What Even Obama's Campaign Aides Say Is 'Inflammatory Rhetoric'

By BRIAN ROSS and REHAB EL-BURI

March 13, 2008—


Sen. Barack Obama's pastor says blacks should not sing "God Bless America" but "God damn America."
The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama's pastor for the last 20 years at the Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago's south side, has a long history of what even Obama's campaign aides concede is "inflammatory rhetoric," including the assertion that the United States brought on the 9/11 attacks with its own "terrorism."
In a campaign appearance earlier this month, Sen. Obama said, "I don't think my church is actually particularly controversial." He said Rev. Wright "is like an old uncle who says things I don't always agree with," telling a Jewish group that everyone has someone like that in their family.
Rev. Wright married Obama and his wife Michelle, baptized their two daughters and is credited by Obama for the title of his book, "The Audacity of Hope."
An ABC News review of dozens of Rev. Wright's sermons, offered for sale by the church, found repeated denunciations of the U.S. based on what he described as his reading of the Gospels and the treatment of black Americans.
"The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing 'God Bless America.' No, no, no, God damn America, that's in the Bible for killing innocent people," he said in a 2003 sermon. "God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme."
In addition to damning America, he told his congregation on the Sunday after Sept. 11, 2001 that the United States had brought on al Qaeda's attacks because of its own terrorism.
"We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye," Rev. Wright said in a sermon on Sept. 16, 2001.
"We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America's chickens are coming home to roost," he told his congregation.
<!-- page -->Sen. Obama told the New York Times he was not at the church on the day of Rev. Wright's 9/11 sermon. "The violence of 9/11 was inexcusable and without justification," Obama said in a recent interview. "It sounds like he was trying to be provocative," Obama told the paper.
Rev. Wright, who announced his retirement last month, has built a large and loyal following at his church with his mesmerizing sermons, mixing traditional spiritual content and his views on contemporary issues.
"I wouldn't call it radical. I call it being black in America," said one congregation member outside the church last Sunday.
"He has impacted the life of Barack Obama so much so that he wants to portray that feeling he got from Rev. Wright onto the country because we all need something positive," said another member of the congregation.
Rev. Wright, who declined to be interviewed by ABC News, is considered one of the country's 10 most influential black pastors, according to members of the Obama campaign.
Obama has praised at least one aspect of Rev. Wright's approach, referring to his "social gospel" and his focus on Africa, "and I agree with him on that."
Sen. Obama declined to comment on Rev. Wright's denunciations of the United States, but a campaign religious adviser, Shaun Casey, appearing on "Good Morning America" Thursday, said Obama "had repudiated" those comments.
In a statement to ABCNews.com, Obama's press spokesman Bill Burton said, "Sen. Obama has said repeatedly that personal attacks such as this have no place in this campaign or our politics, whether they're offered from a platform at a rally or the pulpit of a church. Sen. Obama does not think of the pastor of his church in political terms. Like a member of his family, there are things he says with which Sen. Obama deeply disagrees. But now that he is retired, that doesn't detract from Sen. Obama's affection for Rev. Wright or his appreciation for the good works he has done."
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I'm sorry, maybe I missed the Constitutional Amendment stating that Presidential candidates had to be from a particular church or religion and had to believe in Jesus.

What number was that?

 

Who said that ? :dunno:

 

Anyone else find it funny that Obama's preacher says the same stuff that Petre preaches?

US is to blame for being the biggest killers in the world.
US should be ashamed for supporting Israel in the way they have.


Oh wait, but he supports blacks, so that trumps everything he says.

 

Not quite Andy ... :nono:

 

It's unfortunate the tactics that the establishment would resort to in order to diminish Obama...even looking at what his Pastor has preached.

OBAMA hasn't preached this, so why use this as a campaign tactic?

 

Sly ... I know you're smarter than this.

Had Paul attended a predominantly white church with a "German white pride" agenda , had been married there and had his children baptized there ... your ass would have been all over Paul for it.

Don't be a hypocrite! :nono:

That church is WHACK! and that is where Obama feeds his soul. :stir:

 

pastre must think everyone here forgot all the 9/11 bullshit he has spewed over the years...this forums chief conspiracy theorist attacking another conspiracy theorist. phonetap is beginning to think there may be some truth to the charges of pastre's racial proclivities. not saying pastre is racist but a disturbing event is happening here. in all the years pastre has posted on these boxing forums has he EVER been this passionate against a political figure? phonetap doesn't think so. :dunno:

 

BUSH comes to mind ... :laughing:

God ... how easy can you possibly make it ? ::

 

Paul's Newpaper spewed some terribly racist stuff, but I don't call Paul a racist. SURE...it should be mentioned but if Paul has distanced himself from some of the comments made in his name...and people accept that Obama should be given teh same grace in regards to his Pastor saying soe offensive stuff.