Trying to compare the dirt on Obama to that of Paul is laughable. The proverbial mountain to a mole hill. Paul .... 30 year old Questionably racist article written by someone else and a contribution by a white supremist named Black ::. Obama ... His Church and it's racial sepratist agenda headed by Wright a guy that honored Racist Farrakhan with a lifetime achievement award , Rezko , Pritzker , Ayres , Dohrn ... we can also add Frank Marshall Davis to the list , (more on him later) and of course Obama's drug use and accusations by Larry Sinclair. Not to mention many very questionable campaign tactics and of course my biggest problem of all with Obama. Style with ZERO substance and a lot of lying. Sorry ... no comparison my friend and you know it.
hmmm....when you put it like that.......seems like You...PetreTG...are alot smarter than the 27 states that voted for Obama and the 200+ Superdelegates that are supporting him...compared with the ZERO states that Ron Paul won. You being so smart, like I said before, you're wasting your talents arguing with me on this message board, you should be running for President with TFK as your running mate and Atomicdogg as your Secretary of State. ::
bush is too easy...any moron can attack bush. the fact of the matter is you weren't this anti-bush until he fucked up half a dozen times. with obama (and unlike mccain and clinton) you are manufacturing reasons to hate the guy...you cannot dance around that. you haven't been this obsessive since the 9/11 debates.
o cares how much of the overall population african americans make its how big of a voting block they are that matters
Trust me Ptapout , if it wasn't for the fact that Hillary was an Obvious evil whom I already bashed last year and who seems to be far too obvious a bad choice by just about everyone , she'd be getting the fine toothed comb too. McCain , I'm praying simply goes insane before election time or breaks a hip or something and has to drop out leaving the only smart choice RON PAUL standing there to take up the fight. Were Gore to have run I'd have bashed him all the way to the global warming summit in Kyoto Japan for the fraud that he is. He was smart enough to know better than to run . Obama is the one under the microscope and I'm sorry to say , but a close look at him aint to pretty.
Yep ... but we're supposed to use different guidelines with anyone but whites ? :doh: SO SORRY , this is for the highest office in the land , and even though it would seem any buffoon can win the job with the right connections and enough money , they still get put under the looking glass by anyone smart enough to not allow the same mistakes to happen over and over again. Obama is a used car salesman with absolutely ZERO qualifications to be president , a lot of baggage and conflicts of interest.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2007/03/22/obama_defends_votes_in_favor_of_iraq_funding/ ::
Obama , you got some esplainin' to do ... :nono: Sunday, February 24, 2008 Obama Had A Pattern Of Contacts With Weathermen Terrorists February 24, 2008 at 09:40 am <!-- class="comment-link" --> <!-- class="post-meta" --> Many have tried to dismiss Barack Obama’s connections to far-left Weathermen terrorists Willliam Ayres and Bernadine Dohrn as saying that it was a one-time meeting which took place more than a decade ago. But it turns out that it was more than one time, and has happened a lot more recently than 1995.Since then some Hot Air commenters pointed me toward this 2002 conference website, where Dohrn spoke and Ayres and Obama spoke on the same panel–â€Intellectuals in Times of Crisisâ€. There’s more: Rezkowatch links to this item to claim that Obama, Ayres and Dohrn all gave testimonials at a farewell dinner for Rashid Khalidi in 2005, although the exact date of the dinner isn’t clear from the article. Now speaking on the same panel doesn’t mean Obama is sympathetic to their goals. It does suggest that there was no break with Ayres after the 1995 visits. Obama hasn’t distanced himself from these domestic terrorists, even after terrorism against the United States became a little…harder to ignore after September 11th, 2001. As did William Ayres himself, who had the laughably ill luck to spout off about how proud he was of his terrorism in an interview with the New York Times–an interview that ran in their September 11, 2001 edition. Individually, these events aren’t much. Appearing on a panel with creepy people doesn’t mean you’re a creep. But taken together, these add up to a pattern of what is at best frightening tone-deafness toward terrorism, and a blithe ignorance of the evil and chaos these radicals represent. I don’t think Obama gets to shrug this one off. Anyone involved in politics, particularly in the Chicago area, knows who William Ayres and Bernadette Dohrn are and agreeing to appear with them at events is a tacit endorsement of their radical politics. A politician would not appear in public with a notorious anti-Semite and holocaust denier like David Duke, so why would it be any better to appear in public with people who feel that bombs and violence are a proper form of political discourse? There’s no excuse for this. Either Obama was unbelievably naive as to who these people are or he knew who they are and didn’t care. Neither option looks good for Obama who himself is no mainstream politician but rather the farthest left of all US Senators.
And wha' about this ??? :nono: Obama mentor identified as communist Frank Marshall Davis 'discussed American imperialism, colonialism, exploitation' Posted: February 19, 2008 9:27 pm Eastern © 2008 WorldNetDaily The mysterious "Frank" cited as a friend and adviser by Democratic president contender Barack Obama while he was growing up in Hawaii has been identified as Frank Marshall Davis, a member of the old Moscow-controlled Communist Party USA. The identification comes from Cliff Kincaid in his column, "Obama's Communist Mentor," which was made available on the Accuracy in Media website. "Let's challenge the liberal media to report on this," he wrote in his column. "Will they have the honesty and integrity to do so?" Kincaid, who earlier reported on Obama's pending plan to ship $845 billion overseas to battle "global poverty" as evidence of his socialist leanings, said the newly revealed connection is even more worrisome. "Obama's communist connection adds to mounting public concern about a candidate who has come out of virtually nowhere, with a brief U.S. Senate legislative record, to become the Democratic Party frontrunner for the U.S. presidency," he wrote. In Obama's book, "Dreams From My Father," he repeatedly refers to his friend and adviser as "Frank." "The reason is apparent: Davis was a known communist who belonged to a party subservient to the Soviet Union. In fact, the 1951 report of the Commission on Subversive Activities to the Legislature of the Territory of Hawaii identified him as a CPUSA member. What's more, anti-communist congressional committees, including the House Un-American Activities Committee (HUAC), accused Davis of involvement in several Communist front organizations," Kincaid said. Kincaid noted Obama has admitted attending "social conferences" and seeing Marxist literature. "But he ridicules the charge of being a 'hard-core academic Marxist,' which was made by his colorful and outspoken 2004 U.S. Senate opponent, Republican Alan Keyes." He described the link as "ominous." "Decades ago, the CPUSA had tens of thousands of members, some of them covert agents who had penetrated the U.S. government. It received secret subsidies from the old Soviet Union," Kincaid wrote. He noted even Obama describes "Frank" has having "some modest notoriety once." Kincaid notes that a history professor in Houston reported that Davis "befriended" a family whose son was named Barack Obama, "who retracing the steps of Davis eventually decamped to Chicago." "It was in Chicago that Obama became a 'community organizer' and came into contact with more far-left political forces, including the Democratic Socialists of America…," Kincaid wrote. "The SDS laid siege to college campuses across America in the 1960s, mostly in order to protest the Vietnam War, and spawned the terrorist Weather Underground organization." He also reported Kathryn Takara, a professor of Interdisciplinary Studies at the University of Hawaii at Manoa, confirmed that Davis is the "Frank" in Obama's book. She did her dissertation on Davis, and wrote that he brought, "an acute sense of race relations and class struggle throughout America and the world" and that he openly discussed subjects such as American imperialism, colonialism and exploitation, according to AIM. Obama's campaign also, for the third straight day, declined to respond to WND requests for comment on the report of a Minnesota man who alleges he shared cocaine with Obama when Obama was a state lawmaker in Illinois. WND has reported on claims made by Larry Sinclair, who claims he took cocaine in 1999 with Obama, and participated in homosexual acts with him. Sinclair said his story was ignored by the news media, so he made his case last month in a YouTube video, which has now been viewed about 350,000 times. When it still was ignored, Sinclair said, he filled a lawsuit in Minnesota District Court, alleging threats and intimidation by Obama's staff. ::
Whether i do or dont, still doesnt change the fact that the numbers you speak of are for the general election and not the primaries. I have no say either way in this little discussion. Dont go attacking me for clarifying the facts.
Talk about bigoted phobia of Obama. <?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-comfficeffice" /><o> </o> Remains to be seen what this incessant and hysterical campaign of calumny against Obama would eventually do to his chances of becoming C-in-C.
PetreTG, you're obsessive man. If he's not a rightwinger, he's a communist, if not, he's a terrorist, if not, he's a black supremacist. Let it go. I wanted Paul to win too, but let's face it, he didn't had the character to impress americans and win their vote. And by character I mean, the personality and the will to dare confront his opponents with courage and attitude. The pic in your sig is an obsessive one. Let the man fuck a goat if wants to, it's his life.
I do not agree with everything that the pastor was saying but I do agree with some of his preachings. I mean when the statistics show that 1 out of 9 black males from the ages of 20-34 is in prison something is wrong. Now I'm not blaming society cause believe me we gotta take responsibility for our actions. But I honestly believe that this is modern day slavery. What better way to keep one race down then to incarcerate them. Especially since throughout US history that's been the case. Now about the relationships with those folk. Hell eveyone got friends and family especially if you are black that is doing shit that they weren't supposed to do or possibly doing shit right now that they aren't supposed to be doing. Hell isn't Bush friends with the Bin Laden Family? I'll Holla 5000
Also, I agree with him about the 9/11 remarks. The US has brought terrorism on itself by it's foreign actions. Even Ron Paul said the same thing and PetreTG can't agree with the pastor.
:::laughing::: What a bang up reporting job and witness this is. He files a lawsuit against Obama's staff because he is being "ignored" on YouTube. :: Precious!!!
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Slavery? It's not like the white man is going around rounding up random black folk and throwing them in jail for being black. If they're in prison, it's because they commited a crime. It's garbage like what that preacher was spewing that poisons the minds of his followers. How is blaming the white man 'inspiring'? Why not preach about taking responsibility for yourself and working hard to achieve your goals? And I had to laugh when he brought up the whole 'cab drivers won't pick up black passengers' bit. Hell, the overwhelming majority of cabs I've been in have been driven by Africans or Middle Easterners. So it's not the white man's fault they can't get a ride. It's a shame. I guess why work hard and take responsibility for yourself, when it's so much easier just to blame others for your situation. TFK
I aint reading this whole fucking thread, but who gives a shit what religon he is??? So what if he is muslim.....this whole country is so rediculously crazy christian that he'll never be able to instill any muslim beliefs into our society anyways....dont see what all the fuss is about....fuck religon....only atheists and agnostics should be allowed in public office anyways
What Obama Means Daring To Hope: Candidate Poses Stark Turn For Perception Of Race In America <DL class=byline>By MELANYE T. PRICE <DD>March 16, 2008 </DD></DL>Media pundits and supporters claim Barack Obama is at his best when viewed in person, so I went to the recent Obama rally at the XL Center in Hartford to see for myself. Ultimately, I came away convinced that Obama actually could succeed. I found myself both embracing and eschewing the conflicting meanings of an Obama presidency. The most audaciously hopeful aspect of an Obama rally has to be the attendees, who represent every demographic imaginable. Waiting with me were professors, white suburban mothers, Obama gear-clad teenagers, an older African American couple, and a group of young black and Latino men. As we waited with thousands, we became unlikely allies, holding places for bathroom breaks, scouting the best entrance and seats and discussing Obama's appeal. Were we a "grand coalition for change" as Obama suggested? Moreover, could he translate our differing versions of change into coherent policies? http://www.courant.com/news/opinion/editorials/hc-commentaryprice0316.artmar16,0,1670869.story
This sunday at church , I'm gonna let my spiritual leader know he's causing trouble for my political campaign. :nono: ======================================================= [FONT=Verdana,Sans-serif] Obama Decries Racial Rhetoric[/FONT] [FONT=Verdana,Sans-serif]<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td bgcolor="#cbcbcd"><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0" width="100%"><tbody><tr><td height="2"> </td></tr></tbody></table></td></tr></tbody></table> [FONT=Verdana,Sans-Serif]Email this Story[/FONT] Mar 16, 5:11 AM (ET) By TOM RAUM[/FONT] <table align="right" border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0" width="210"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><table border="1" bordercolor="#cbcbcd" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0" width="150"><tbody><tr><td><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr align="center"><td></td></tr><tr><td>[FONT=Verdana,Sans-serif](AP) Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. 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Barack Obama on Saturday decried "the forces of division" over race that he said are intruding into the Democratic presidential nomination contest. "We have to come together," he told a town-hall meeting at a high school. He cited videos of inflammatory sermons given by his pastor that are now being used as political ammunition against him - remarks that Obama has denounced. "If all I knew were those statements I saw on television, I would be shocked," Obama said. <table align="left" border="0" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0" width="210"><tbody><tr><td align="center"><table border="1" bordercolor="#cbcbcd" cellpadding="1" cellspacing="0" width="150"><tbody><tr><td><table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr align="center"><td></td></tr><tr><td>[FONT=Verdana,Sans-serif](AP) Democratic presidential hopeful Sen. Barack Obama D-Ill., speaks at a town hall meeting at... 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A line in a recent rap I wrote: "There are three things that stop me from voting Obama, He's black, he's a fag, and his dad was Osama" I defintely will vote for him if he wins the nomination though. It's just a line in a song. :dunno:
Yes , as Sly said "Obama will bring about racial harmony in the USA" .... Sure he will. :doh: And yet another associate chosen by Obama that is an obvious conflict of interest. ======================================= [FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]A Presidet Barack Obama would force American taxpayers to compensate "victims of slavery"[/FONT] 2007-04-04 10:06:55 -[FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]Obama[/FONT][/FONT] quietly supports reparations for slavery; at least that is what his closest supporters believe CONTRARIAN COMMENTARY FOR APRIL 4, 2007 BARACK OBAMA: IS AMERICA READY FOR REPARATIONS? OBAMA'S SUPPORTERS SEE REPARATIONS IN THEIR FUTURE IF BARRY O IS ELECTED READY TO PAY? OBAMA'S THE WAY (CHICAGO)(April 4, 2007) Is America ready to pay reparations for slavery? What is that you say, "Doesn't Senator Barack Obama oppose reparations for slavery?" Well, no. He doesn't. In fact the reparations crowd in Washington and Chicago is salivating at the prospect Obama might stumble into the White House and put them on track for a reparations gravy train for slavery which took place centuries ago. To tackle the topic, first, a simple question: is Obama opposed to reparations? Indeed, the question is not so simple. Nothing is ever simple and straightforward where Barry Obama and words come together. Obama's pirouettes on the question of reparations would enchant any balletomane; his position always depends on who is asking and who is listening. And who is watching. Prior to his election to the U.S. Senate in 2004 Obama opposed reparations for slavery. After his election, Obama subtly changed his view, stating he was against "just signing over checks to African-Americans," leaving open the possibility of other forms of reparations would be acceptable to him (Chicago Tribune 11/14/2004). Second, whom does Barry O "hang" with? Well, Obama hangs with the reparations crowd. Now guilt by association is certainly unfair. But if you hang with the reparations crowd, they must see something in you they like. Indeed they do. U. S. Representative John Conyers, Chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, is reportedly waiting for Obama to be elected so Conyers can rush a reparations law through Congress. (The Hill, 3/13/ 2007) Hmmm. Does Conyers know something we don't? Finally, the most telling indication that Obama has a secret [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]addiction[/FONT][/FONT] to reparations is reflected in those who support him and those whom he supports: the most notorious race-baiter on the Chicago City Council, Alderwoman Dorothy Tillman. Haven't heard of Dorothy Tillman? You better learn about Obama's #1 supporter. And fast. You really should know who she is. Tillman has almost single-handedly made a joke of the City of Chicago in the public finance industry over her preoccupation with slavery and reparations. Tillman supports Obama and Obama supports Tillman. Last week Obama endorsed Tillman for reelection. Tillman was forced into a runoff after her opponents failed to agree on a single candidate to oppose her. Tillman was an early supporter of Obama's in his rise to prominence over the past decade. And Tillman is a disgrace. Her favorite pastime is abusing banks and [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]institutions[/FONT][/FONT] that want to do business with the City of Chicago. A regular feature of council proceedings is Tillman flaying banks for "owning slaves" at some remote point in history over 150 years ago. Using a 2002 "Slavery Era Disclosure Ordinance" that she authored, Tillman has accused Bank of America of having a predecessor bank that made "leg irons for slaves." Wachovia, J.P. Morgan Chase, LaSalle Bank, Lehman Brothers, American General and Nationwide Life Insurance were all brought before Tillman's mast and whipped for their ties to slavery, however remote, over 150 years ago. Indeed, Tillman has been quoted as saying her goal is to "repair the damage of 400 years" of slavery. "America owes us," Tillman demands (Sun-Times 3/26/2007). And yes, Obama has endorsed this carnival-style extortionist for reelection. So much for the audacity of Obama, so much for the "smallness" of politics in Chicago. Tillman abuses and opposes anyone who thinks that slavery is not a major issue any more. When the City wanted to refinance $800 million [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]debt[/FONT][/FONT], Tillman was there claiming slavery should be an issue. Last fall, the City tried to lease parking garages for over a half billion dollars: the deal hit a "slavery speed bump." Tillman filed suit because her slavery ordinance was brushed aside (Sun-Times 12/1/2006). "The whole world is watching us just disregard this law for black people'We're totally disrespected as a people...," (Sun-Times 10/31/06). On and on it goes. Sounds like the race card to me. Tillman accused Morgan Stanley of "getting rich from [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]investments[/FONT][/FONT] and profits in slavery," (Chicago Tribune, 10/30/ 2006). Morgan Stanley was formed in 1935. [Full disclosure: My maternal ancestors arrived in the United States in the Twentieth Century. Unlike Obama's forebears, my [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]grandparents[/FONT][/FONT] had nothing to do with slavery. Why should I pay for the earlier sins of others? Why should anyone pay for events that took place in history?] When Obama's critics attack him for the sermons of his [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]pastor[/FONT][/FONT] they are going too far, in my opinion. I am not responsible for what my minister says. Preachers get a lot of leeway in the pulpit. But when a public official files a frivolous lawsuit against a half-billion dollar public finance deal, claiming that Blacks are being disrespected because of slavery, and Obama goes on to endorse that kind of nonsense, Obama should be charged with endorsing the antics of the reparations gang. When confronted with the claims of some of his more controversial supporters President Reagan used to say, "They endorsed me; I didn't endorse them." In the case of Barry Obama and Dorothy Tillman, he has endorsed her and her unseemly reparations crusade for slavery. Only Obama doesn't want his national audience to know it. I seriously doubt that many of the tens of thousands of people who have succumbed to Obama's pleas for "hope" realize he "hopes" to force them to pay tax dollars to provide some form of [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]compensation[/FONT][/FONT] to people who weren't alive from people who weren't alive, all for the evils of slavery. They have no idea who Dorothy Tillman is, or what she stands for, or the damage she continues to do to [FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif][FONT=Arial,Helvetica,sans-serif]taxpayers[/FONT][/FONT] in Chicago. All in the name of slavery. And yet ignorant suckers keep on giving, not knowing who Obama is and what he wants to accomplish if he should end up in the Oval office. Psst. Ready to pay reparations for slavery? Obama's your man. He just doesn't want you to know. Yet. He's too busy working to reelect Dorothy Tillman in two weeks. Pass it on.
That last one is a bit of a stretch, Petre. I think making a connection between Obama supporting some nutjob local politician, and equating that with Obama working to make reparations a reailty is very weak. Obama's got enough negative aspects to him to need something as stupid as this attack. Besides, reperations for slavery is a ridiculous and completely unrealistic idea. My family didn't arrive in this country until long after slavery was over. I never owned a slave, never met a slave, never met anyone who owned a slave, etc, etc. Hell, if you want to use the whole 'White people owned slaves, so they owe the blacks' argument, I present this counter argument: 'White people freed the slaves, so the blacks owe us.' Let me know when my check is in the mail. TFK
I think anyone Obama decides to support is a check on Obama's charachter and beliefs. Obviously you do not support someone whom you do not believe in or who's stances you do not support. Tillman's stances in chicago and abroad are legendary in their racial charge. Obama is showing a pattern here. Hell People want to give Paul a hard time for a donation made to him .... Obama has publicly supported this woman. Do a little search on Obama and Tillman ... it's interesting stuff. Here I'll start everyone off ... ------------------------------- Will 3rd Ward politics affect Obama's presidential race? <!-- Article Publsih Date --> March 23, 2007 <!-- Article By Line --> BY RICH MILLER <!-- Article's First Paragraph --><!-- BlogBurst ContentStart --><!--dropstart--> Fresh, independent-minded candidates, most helped by labor unions, forced 10 Machine aldermen into runoff elections this year. But now the "Empire" is striking back, and liberal icon Barack Obama is helping the Old Guard in at least one of those races.<!--dropend--> Obama is set to endorse the always controversial 3rd Ward Ald. Dorothy Tillman in her runoff against hard-charging independent Pat Dowell. Obama isn't alone. Almost every black political, religious and civil rights leader in the city is lending support to Tillman, who scored just 43 percent in the first round of voting, finishing a mere 400 votes ahead of Dowell. About the only major political figure not backing Tillman right now is U.S. Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr., who just helped elect his wife, Sandi, to the City Council. Jackson said this week he plans to put at least 150 foot soldiers into the 3rd Ward come Election Day, but he tried to downplay the fact that this is the first time he and Obama have ever opposed each other in a local race. To say Dowell's supporters are confident of victory would be an understatement. They have polling showing her leading Tillman by over 20 points -- and a whole lot more after voters are fed additional information. Her blatant nepotism at the taxpayer-bankrolled Harold Washington Cultural Center (one daughter is the executive director, another is the "education coordinator" and a son is a former board member of a not-for-profit Tillman founded to oversee the facility) and Tillman's vote to give herself a pay raise are just two of the many poll questions that drive the alderman's support into the ground. Tillman has redeveloped her once-destitute ward, an almost Herculean, decade-long task. She has always insisted on using African-American contractors, architects, etc., believing the revitalization of a black neighborhood ought to benefit black business people. Bronzeville's storied 43rd Street is springing back to life with a new entertainment district. Lots of new, more upscale people have moved in, but the pace of change has not kept up with high expectations. Also, Tillman's once-solid base among the ward's poorest residents has evaporated as those loyal voters were forced out by urban renewal. Tillman's friends promise a hard-fought campaign, but even they realize that times have changed. Machine stalwart Bill Beavers found that out the hard way this month when he tried to install his daughter Darcel in his former City Council seat. Beavers thought his aging street organization and the old-style tactics that had served him so well over the years would carry the day. But Sandi Jackson used modern campaign techniques, battle-hardened foot soldiers and tons of well-produced direct mail to bury Ms. Beavers by more than 23 points. A lot of the old-timers on the City Council still seem to believe fervently in the long-dead myth of their organizations' invulnerability. That hubris contributed to several first round setbacks, including downtown Ald. Burt Natarus' outright loss and 32nd Ward Ald. Ted Matlak's forced runoff. Tillman's more realistic friends are trying hard to convince the alderman's longtime advisers that she has to change course right now if she hopes to survive. Bill Beavers is helping Tillman, and that's one reason Jackson has jumped into the race. Two of Jackson's oldest political nemeses, Bill and Bob Shaw, are also backing Tillman, providing even more incentive. On the other side of the coin, Mayor Daley's organization is lending Tillman a hand, at least partly because Daley wants to make sure Jackson's influence doesn't spread any further than it already has. Jackson says he understands why Sen. Obama would back Tillman. The alderman was one of Obama's earliest supporters in his U.S. Senate bid. But others are wondering how Obama's decision to back such a die-hard proponent of slavery reparations will play in Iowa and New Hampshire. They may have a point.