Petre, If Paul were to win the Republican nomination (unlikely) or run as an independant, who would be his choice as VP? And do you think the Democrats hope he runs as a 3rd party, thinking it will split the Republican vote? TFK
the dems prolly hope that, though he would also hurt them as hed pull from the independent pool and the moderate dem pool he has stated repeatedly though that he wont run as a 3rd party so i think the points moot
"I hate the gooks," McCain said yesterday in response to a question from reporters aboard his campaign bus. "I will hate them as long as I live." - John McCain THESE are the words of a front running potential president of the United States of America ??? :doh:
so what he hates them, doesnt mean his policies will reflect his personal stance i could be wrong though
I don't think Paul has made any mention yet who he'd choose as a running mate so I really have no idea , but I'd bet it would be someone of strong honest principle determined to uphold the constitution, like him.
It speaks volumes as to the type of man he is ... Not the sort I want for president ... that's for sure.
well if i or you were in his position we might feel the same way, he is only human after all again, its what hes gonna do as president and with his policies that matter
From , THE HUFFINGTON POST ----------- Why I Support Ron Paul Posted January 30, 2008 | 06:02 PM (EST) <hr> <!-- /Chicklets --> <!-- Content --> I'd been walking around sharing the phrase "fire it up" for about three weeks, borrowing glittery talking points about the exciting race between the first possible female and the first possible African-American president, but I still felt like I didn't understand what changes these candidates were positing other than a replacement nameplate on the oval office desk. If you'd told me at the start of this presidential primary that I'd take off work and roadtrip to New Hampshire and South Carolina for the campaign of a pro-life republican from Texas, I'd have probably jump kicked you in the chest. In his defense, he's from Pittsburgh.Who is this man, and how did I find him since you can't find him anywhere in television or print? I was sweeping my bedroom passively watching the Republican debates, when, somewhere between Romney's "I'd double the size of Guantanamo" and Guiliani's 37th invocation of 9-11, a soft spoken man you'd only know from C-SPAN2 started talking about the Constitution. He continued stating that we had armed Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein, that we've been bombing Iraq since the end of the 1st Persian Gulf War, to remember that the CIA had overthrown Iran in the fifties, and that if we had followed the aforementioned Constitution perhaps we wouldn't have gotten ourselves into so much "mischief." I blurted out something that sounded like "wrudafuk." What presidential candidate uses CIA and the word "mischief" in the same sentence? Then he offers to give Rudy Guiliani a reading list, and "blowback" becomes a familiar word to a lot more people than those who read Chalmers Johnson or the latest National Intelligence Estimates. I become a fan of Dr. Ron Paul. I began internet researching in my obsessive fashion and eventually discovered some Ron Paul videos on YouTube from rallies around the country. He talked about things like eliminating the IRS, our history of meddling in foreign governments, dissolving the Federal Reserve, ending the war on drugs, and pardoning all non-violent drug offenders. I had no idea what he was talking about, and neither does America. Ron Paul is a paradox. He is a ten-term Texas congressman who voted against the Iraq War, the Patriot Act, the Real ID Act, internet regulation, those acts last year that stripped Habeas Corpus and Posse Commitatis, plus this week's Democrat sponsored Violent Radicalization and Homegrown Terrorism Prevention Act (a precursor to internet filtering and University monitoring by the Department of Homeland Security). Democrats shutdown when they see the letter "R" next to the word Texas, and Republicans can't say "he's not a republican" enough. He will quickly remind you that Republicans used to be the antiwar party, and in fact George Bush had been elected on a promise to stop policing the world. Republicans used to be the party of small government, fiscal responsibility, and sound money. Now sound money isn't a sexy topic, but those listening to Ron Paul are starting to wake up to the gravity of what threats can be brought by a steeply declining currency, ballooning debt, excessive militarism combined with over extension, and a government that seems more interested in collecting data on it's own citizenry and protecting corporate marketshare than preventing future attacks. We can fundamentally change our idea of what our government should be, and return to constitutional principles. Ron Paul's position is that the government shouldn't coddle us from cradle to grave. Central bankers like the Federal Reserve, which isn't part of the federal government, shouldn't have the power to manipulate the worth of our currency and thus our way of life. His position is that we shouldn't police the world or unconstitutionally interfere through bureaucracies like the CIA. Only Congress has the power to declare war. Plus, we can't afford it anyway. We don't need the IRS harassing American citizens and taking our hard earned money and sending it out for destinations unknown. In fact, let's eliminate it. We'll pay for it by bringing home our soldiers from around the world, saving over a trillion dollars. While you're giving us our taxed dollars back, we'd also like you to return those civil liberties you've been whittling away at so you can give lucrative contracts to the homeland security/military industrial sector company you're going to quit the government to start, run, or lobby for. Much is said about the national constituency of Ron Paul, more often than not describing them as "young 9-11 truthers," or "hillbilly Libertarian whackos," but the campaign that Ron Paul has built is a revolution, and it is growing. Ron Paul, despite being ignored by mainstream press, trounced republican opponents with over 18 million in grassroots fundraising last quarter alone. Rudy Guiliani could drop out after coming in third in Florida. Mike Huckabee doesn't have the funds to finish. John McCain, despite a voting record similar to Clinton, will most likely lead the delegate count with Romney trailing close behind. What will be the interesting story is Ron Paul staying in the race (he leads in fundraising, he also leads in contributions from active military personnel), bringing a significant enough number of delegates to the convention to possibly decide who becomes nominee. After canvassing in New Hampshire and South Carolina, I'll tell you that most people are undecided and will vote for whomever the tv tells them to. Ask Ron Paul supporters and they'll tell you that Ron Paul's success may not be seen by him gaining the most votes in this election, but his ability to positively influence the Republican party's platform now and in the future. Doctor Paul is indeed curing apathy. In fact, listening to him speak, at times, can be like receiving a medical diagnosis. I had never been active in the political process. Nor had most the people I'd met for that matter. They were all just curious to hear this man with so many seemingly common sense ideas that the establishment branded radical. What's so radical about our Constitution? The Constitution was written to restrict the government, not the people. Give me a choice between three lawyers and an ex-Air Force flight surgeon that's delivered four thousand babies. I'll take the doctor anyday.
What position? Petre thinks McCain was holed up at the Vietnamese Sandals Resort for 3 1/2 years where he spent his time sun bathing and sipping pina colades. And he talks about agendas..
I'm with Petre on this one.. ok.. so Mcain was in prison, maybe beaten.. tortured.. no matter WHAT... you can NOT say "I hate GOOKS" if you are trying to be president IMO.. if one black guy stole from me 10 years ago I can not say I had N-words.. it is a racial slur and it is F'd up IMO for a presidential canidate to say that about a WHOLE NATIONALITY of people cuz he was in a prison camp in a time of WAR!! WTF!????
I hold out the hope that anything is possible with enough determination. What really amazes me ... at least around my area , is just how many people like Paul ... and completely dislike the other candidates. Yet the group mind is not getting together and putting 2+2 together and seeing , something just isn't right. None of the other republicans can raise a nickel , yet they're the big front runners for the GOP? Romney would be gone if not for his own money funding his campaign. Hucksterbee is broke , McCain is just about broke , yet SOMEHOW ... he went from being Politics step child to the man to beat ??? Something is obviously wrong with this picture and quite honestly I think it's pretty obvious what it is. Watching that debate at the Reagan Center should tell everyone what they need to know ... but if that doesn't help ... maybe this will. Last I checked it was down to 3 Corporations that own the brainwashing box America watches ... FAR too much power in to few hands telling the people what to think and do ... here's one of them exposed by Bill Moyers. <object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/vA5z-quW2E8&rel=1"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/vA5z-quW2E8&rel=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object>
No ... you're right . He went from them offering his release knowing he was the son of the US Forces Admiral , to being beaten, tortured and placed in SOLITARY CONFINEMENT for 3.5 years. We'll ignore the fact that most people would go completely insane in about 3.5 months in solitary. McCain is an exceptional super human. Not like all the other poor guys that actually did go through that kind of treatment who now fill the shelters of America that wander around babbling nonsense to themselves in their spare time. We'll also ignore the fact that he doesn't want any info released about it. We'll also ignore all the Veteran Organizations adamantly against McCain calling him a fraud. :kick:
OK, here's where we put our money where our mouth is... Show me a statement from one single Veterans Organization that claims McCain was not a POW in Vietnam for 5 1/2 years???? I'll be waiting...
Well, maybe it's a gift.. But I am curious. I've read so much over the years about McCain.. What I can't remember ever reading was him claiming that he was in solitary for 3 1/2 years.. Did he say that somewhere?
From memory , I've read 3 and 3.5 ... a very quick search found this ... but really , what's the point debating this with you. You're not really debating ... you're simply baiting. McCain says because he survived 5½ years of brutal torture, while a prisoner of the communist Vietnamese, he is better qualified to be president of the United States than any other candidate. McCain claims his POW sufferings included three years in solitary confinement where he was tortured so badly that he "broke," causing him to attempt suicide.
No I am 100% debating. You claim McCain had this silver spoon upbringing where everything was given to him. I claim that flying 23 missions over Vietnam, getting shot down, suffering multiple injuries, and spending 5 1/2 years as a POW is NOT the easy way. Do you disagree? Also, what is the source for that McCain quote. I'll ignore the fact that you said 3 1/2 years in solitary with no support. The problem with you and debating is that you like to make claims with no evidence and then when someone like me points out the bullshit in your claims, you get enraged. The simple solution is to quit posting bullshit that can't be substantiated. Deal?
Hell ... if it makes you feel any better , I've read there was a single stretch of 2 years as well ... the 3-3.5 years I believe was supposed to be total. As for McCain's silver spoon ... once again , you get shit wrong , because I could be wrong , but I don't recall using that term with McCain. Having said that ... I do believe I stated he led a priviledged life where he got away with a lot of shit and got things he should not have thanks to the laurels of his father . Being a pilot PERIOD... was one of them as they say he did not have the credentials to be worthy of qualifying , but as usual Daddy got him to the front of the line. (Sounds familiar to the current mess we're in) But once again ... spin away ... Does T stand for Top ? BTW ... I don't get "enraged" .... that'd be your boy McCain who has a legendary temper. Couple that and his profound stubborness and bigotry with PTSD .... I guess you have your man for PRESIDENT ! Wise choice .... :bears:
Well, add reading comprehension to your list of shortcomings. I don't know if I could be any clearer than saying: "McCain is not the answer" or "I don't want McCain in any political office" But then again, I don't expect you to read beyond your agenda. Nevertheless, I will again say that I don't think being in harms way by flying 23 missions over Vietnam or getting shot down, or being a POW, is in anyway indicative of a privileged ride. In McCain's own book he admits that his father kept him from being expelled from the Naval Academy. But I would love to see where anyone claimed that he was a less than accomplished aviator.. My real problem is you comparing his stint in the military with that of GWB. Ridiculous comparision.
And yet you defend him so adamantly and with such passion. I think you're a closet McCain lover. :clap: Or do you still have that fence pole up your ass ? :dunno:
Dr RAND PAUL speaks to a group in Montana January 26th ... <object width="425" height="355"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/rx-3X8gGASw&rel=1"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/rx-3X8gGASw&rel=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="355"></embed></object> I've always held the belief one of the greatest measures of a man's success is seen in his children . Compare Ron Pauls children to the other candidates ... Like Hucksterbee :: .... just as an example. It's too bad Rand is not a bit older with some time in office behind , pushing Ron Pauls platform. He's a much more fluent and confident speaker which may be Ron's biggest difficulty at age 72. BTW ... at +/- about 11:00 .... he makes a GREAT POINT! :bears::bears::bears:
More insults because you can't handle being called on bullshit.. You should seriously think about applying the Rubio rule to yourself here. I defend the comparision of McCain's military service with that of Bush because it's a moronic comparision. Your motive was to denegrate one of 3 candidates currently kicking Paul's ass and in the process you threw up some bullshit that you got called on. Nice job Rubio..
Thank you for pointing out your problem ... you compare something nobody was arguing. And you call me Rubio ? That's exactly one of Rubio's many tactics for being an irritatin twit. :bears: How ironic.::
Well actually, when someone points out false or bullshit statements in your post, that's actually compelling and worth discussing. That's what I did. You couldn't support your claim and resorted to personal insults. And exactly what did Rubio get banned for again? Ironic? The word is hypocritical.
I'd love to continue this nonsense , but unfortunately I have somewhere to be this afternoon. While I'm gone ... try to work on your memory and comprehension. :clap:
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