Yeah, 50 years on the other side of the table. I bet that if they were turned, he would think differently. The talking heads who know nothing should tell you alot, since at least they try to come up with a comprimise so that all people can actually get healthcare. Everyone wants reform, and little Ronnie Paul is the only one who doesn't. Instead, he promotes big business getting bigger, which in turn, makes them more powerful, and finally, makes the middle class working America more and more marginalized. And the short sound bite wasn't so short, because I've seen him say pretty much just that other times! Even in videos that you have posted here.
Post it .... I've heard Paul talk about how to reform the health care system and it's the only plan that truly makes sense without our country going bankrupt. And THE LAST THING Big Business wants is free markets . Big Business is all about monopolies. Free markets creates competition and drives prices down as well as gives the consumers choice.
Somewhere in this thread. He's wearing a sweater. It was a few days back. I can't sift through videos very quickly from work, so I can't point out the video any time soon. Basically, he says that more people will have more money to spend on healthcare. He doesn't answer the question.
But Ron Paul is more a laissez-faire capitalist than an Adam-Smith/Teddy-Roosevelt capitalist. Big Business loves that. It's quite naïve of you not to know the difference.
I know he's talking about breaking up monopolies, but that kind of conflicts with him being a libertarian and everything.
wiseass It stood out. A dark sweater over his shirt & tie. It stood out because I haven't really seen anyone wear one.
arben, the more you open your mouth, or move your fingers, the more i convice myself of what an idiot you are. i don't mean to insult but you truly have no clue.
Please explain. EDIT: Am I wrong in saying that Ron Paul's stance on healthcare is that he will fix the economy and in turn, people will have more money to spend on high bills?
your whole view on health care prices and how ron paul has no clue because he doesn't have a cookie cutter useless plans that won't solve anything like all the other candidates. the problem is not the like of insurance, but the cost of health care. a health savings account and all that other b.s. won't change the fact that the prices are extremely high. you can either put a bandaid over the wound, which is what this plans are, and find a way to finance it or you can tackle the problem head on and find out why these prices are so high and take the actions necessary to change the situation. the point ron paul made about inflation is a real one and one of the main reasons why the cost of health care is so high (relative). you got to think outside the box for once in your life, you are not a kid anymore, and see things for what they are.
So you're saying that having no plan whatsoever (because that's what he's offering) is better than having at least something? Again, inflation is not the only problem. As an economist, he brings forth some excellent ideas, but in healthcare, he has no idea. That's all I'm stating, and unless he can prove otherwise, it's true. Because that's his whole stance on it. His policies support big business, and the people in charge are the ones that benefit. Not the common man. Unless he can prove otherwise (which he can't because he openly admits that his policies support big business), it's true. I think you need to rethink who you call an idiot, buddy, because you're being played for a fool.
you obviously can stand in the forest and not see the tree. so basically you want your candidates to offer yo a bull shit plan and lie to you. if they don't do that then they are no good. that's what gave us no child left behind. i rather have no plan than having no child left behind.
Simple question Arben ... Do you think this country can afford a national healthcare program ? See , just like Rubio tried to offer me something he could never pay on , that is what the others that offer this type of program are doing. The entire system has to be fixed now which has encouraged extreme price gouging , poor service , little choice and high cost often unnecessary procedures and prescriptions. Ron has been warning about this for 20 years that this problem was coming and he , once again has been proven correct. We have a mess ... and empty promises aint gonna fix it .
It is rare that it happens...but once again, the American public are presented with their best choice and their best chance...and I hope that we take advantage of him this time. We dropped the ball on Perot and Nader...selfmade guys who were smart enough to understand that the American public was being cheated by big buisiness buerocrats, and decided to expose and try to help. Don't let Paul be the third in the past 20 years
Taxes and time, my friend. Now answer me this, Paul preches bringing the troops in from all over the world because we're wasting a trillion dollars a year. Yet he also preaches getting rid of the IRS, which brings in a trillion dollars a year. Where's the benefit in that when it comes to the economy? Paul will just take us full circle to nowheresville. Is Ron Paul's healthcare plan the best one available? His policies are full of holes.
Yeah. It's much cheaper to deal with sick people in the emergency room. Seriously, are you completely retarded when it comes to everything? I mean, it's stupid to insinuate that there isn't a cheaper alternative to the current system.
what paul want is for the US to concentrate on developing the internal economy, do like china and build up until the debts are relieved and to stop the IRS from taxing our asses out. It's the smartest thing to do.
well abden. if i had the more than 10K a year they take from me in taxes i would have a lot more money to invest in my retirement and pay for my own health care. as it is, i really can not afford it. yes, this country could afford a universal health care plan. but in the current condition it would only be possible by further taxing us and i already pay enough taxes as it is. the only way possible would be by streamlining government and cutting expenses. the only candidate advocating for such a thing is ron paul. you know, i got a small savings account, not much money in it really. the interest rate does not cover inflation. yet, i get taxed on my interest earned money, that it is really no earning because my money is devaluing. so basically, the government is arbitrarily taking money from me. don't you think we should do something about things like that.
How many people do you know that are barely making it through paycheck to paycheck? I know more than enough to know that they won't save a dime for their health, regular savings, social security, whatever... Basically, what Ron Paul is doing is sweeping it under the rug. "No healthcare? Well, you should have had some." Basically, he's trying to push the blame as far away from the government as possible. Do you know what a universal healthcare system does? Saves the citizens money and STILL guarantee you healthcare. It works everywhere else, but it CANT work here, right? Give me a break.
I think it's safe to say America isn't smart enough to see the truth. Even guys I thought were smarter and for a minute , expressed Ron Paul as the right choice are now talking about being 100% undecided ... in other words , swayed back into the mire and ready to be led to choose between two bowls of shit because that's what everyone else is doing. American's no longer have the balls to stand up and fight. The powers have won.
Idiots at their finest. A Ron Paul mob replaces torches and pitchforks for buttons and Ron Paul posters as they chase Sean Hannity out of a restaurant and down the street. <object width="425" height="373"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/YMrHorlOB0k&rel=1&border=1"></param><param name="wmode" value="transparent"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/YMrHorlOB0k&rel=1&border=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" wmode="transparent" width="425" height="373"></embed></object>
That's your answer ... TAXES AND TIME ? :doh: Let me give you a clue "my friend" .... Baby boomers are starting to retire en masse for 2008 , in this aging population we have in the USA . We're about to experience a MASSIVE loss of income along with a MASSIVE request for entitlements. We're already borrowing more than we can afford to. ANYONE offering a National Health Care Plan , is either a total fucking moron when it comes to economics , or is flat out lying. The only way you get one .... is to raise our taxes to slave levels or massive spending cuts (Something none of the others has ever mentioned nor has any intention of doing). As for what Paul proposes .... you leave out one important fact that he preaches .... Paul's plan isn't made by the tooth fairy ... it's a real economic plan to eliminate taxes and save our dollar and economy , from ending up in the toilet. The BIGGEST part of his plan is reducing the size and scope of government and eliminating trillions in spending on useless programs that do little else but rob our freedom and spend our taxes. Reduce the size of government and you reduce spending. None of the others want anything but more government and more controls and that costs more and more money. On top of that , they all want to continue spending billions a day overseas and none will end this endless war except Paul. Eliminate income tax and you will have thousands - tens of thousands extra in your bank account or pocket to stimulate the economy. I told all of you before .... THE CREDIT BUBBLE is coming next and the housing bubble isn't close to being done deflating. This is going to be a huge mess when it all comes undone. There will be no more stimulation of the economy through credit ... and when that happens we're going to fall flat on our face into a depression. The SOLUTION is for people to be relieved of the heavy tax burdens and have the money to spend into the economy. His policies full of holes .??? It's the most sound and attainable plan ANY CANDIDATE has presented. The others present a plan that is so vacuous it's not full of holes , it's like a cesspool , and that sucking sound is our dollar and economy getting flushed down into the abyss.
so are you willing to be taxed more for it? i am not. and yes, i live paycheck to paycheck. but over 10K extra a year would solve a lot of problems for me.
See, but here's the catch. If we get taxed, we'd be spending a total of about 4K a year. Now, it's at least 6K a year. So yes, I'm willing to get taxed more so that I can save more!
