The "I NEVER was Impressed by Margarito" Bandwagon...

dsimon writes:

Just to make my position clear I do not condone Mayweather fighting nobody. But Hatton is hardly a nobody. Hatton is is a first tiere guy who is devistating. If Floyd fights Hatton or Cotto is this not a better challenge than Margarito or the yet unproven Williams? or am I missing something?

 

:bears:

 

:bears: :bears: :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:

 

Hatton is cool, if that fight happens. He's not a welterweight, but at least he's in his prime and doesn't have 8 losses on his record.

If Fraud doesn't fight one of the following in November, he should be universally seen as a ducking queer:

- Cotto
- Margarito
- Williams (who I prefer)
- Hatton

 

dsimon writes:

and pray tell how beating Margarito would have changed that big whoop of yours?::

Pacquiao has fought great opposition though not all in their prime (Morales looked quite past the experation date last outing). But what top guy in Floyd's division has he ducked? Margarito? ::

 

Why is no one listing Mosley? Is there some news I missed? That's the fight I want to see.....

 

I'm in! :cheer:

 

figures, retardation always needs a right hand....horse i guess

 

dsimon writes:

Oh come on Alabama!! take Margarito off that damn list! Should Pac man fight Barrera if he calls him out? ::

Cotto or Hatton agreed. Williams should not get a fight with Floyd for beating a guy who is B or C level. Let Williams draw from the same list and if he wins him and Floyd should get it on!! That is fair.

 

In 2005, Erik Morales was 28 years old and went tooth and nail with Barrera. Morales only "got old" after Pacquiao battered him into the canvas in the rematch. Barrera was P4P #3 when Pacquiao splattered him, and Fagquez was considered just underneath both Morales and Barrera at the time.

Margarito was universally considered a Top welterweight when the fight was offered to Fraud. Bumdomir was not.

I didn't know ANYONE who thought Bumdomir had a chance in hell of beating Fraud.

There are plenty of people EVEN TODAY who think Margarito would have a shot at beating Fraud.

That's the difference my friend.

 

dsimon writes:

Mosley should be on the list but it is Alabama's list... I would just as soon Alabama replace margarito with Mosley.

 

Not Sure....

He's Got a Date w/a EURO 1st...


REED

 

I didn't list Mosley because I think he's slightly out of his prime and I tried to only list fighters I thought were still in their respective primes. Mosley would be a tough fight though, certainly more than Bumdomir.

I think Williams is a slightly harder fight for Fraud because of the physical advantages Williams has.

 

Oh yeah??

And whats Floyd doing in the meantime??























:laughing:

 

What makes Hatton a better welterweight than Margarito?

One fight and a narrow win over Collazo? A fighter Mosley embarrassed.

Unless someone can show me where Mayweather said he was moving down to junior welterweight, it's hard for me to see why Mayweather should be fighting Hatton.

 

dsimon writes:

Those people are challenged, I never disputed that Baldimore was an easy payday. Remember I am not a Floyd apologist. For example, if Floyd does duck from the list of the best possible opponents then he is ducking, no excuses.

My point is that if one is to critiscize Floyd, then give him his due as well. He was right not to bother with Margarito. Bottom line. It does not make his other choices better or worse, it does not make Floyd a paragon of virtue, misunderstood by the likes of Double idiot.... but a fact is a fact and Margarito looks slow and mediocre and has been exposed as such.

 

... against Paul Williams, a guy who is 6'3 and threw 1300 punches who dwarfed Margarito. Let's not forget Margarito hurt Williams and overcame some of the physical disadvantages by going to the body HARD.

You see, the logic above is what Fraud groupies have been using throughout Fraud's career whether they know it or not.

Because PAUL WILLIAMS beat Margarito, FLOYD doesn't have to fight MARGARITO because he was exposed.

Why isn't Floyd doing any of the exposing? :dunno:

 

He's waiting by the river waiting for the bodies to float by?

 

Here's the Deal though...

WHAT EXACTLY has Margarito Done to WARRANT a Fight w/Floyd???:dunno: ...LOSING the Biggest Fight of his Career,Against Quite Possibly THE BEST Guy he's Ever Faced, Makes it IMPERATIVE that Floyd Face Margarito All of a Sudden???:dunno:

AGAIN,the Onus ISN'T on the Top Dog to Fight "Everybody"..."Everybody" Should Fight EACH OTHER to Get a Shot @ the TOP DOG....That's the Way it's ALWAYS Been...Guys Bump Each Other Off for the Chance to B # 1 & Get a Shot @ THE Champ,which Floyd Is...

For 3-4 Years,even PRIOR to Floyd "Ducking" Margarito,REED was UNimpressed w/him....& Again,REED was UNimpressed w/Margarito Last Night...He had a "Big" Fight w/Cotto Staring him N the Face (a Fight that Margarito HIMSELF TURNED DOWN N June,but NOBODY Wants to Talk about that ),yet he CHOKED Last Night...

Floyd is PROVEN...Margarito ISN'T,by Comparison...Yet Peeps Expect Floyd to Jump Thru Hoops & Peeps Expect Floyd to just COWTOW to Margarito's Wishes for a "Big" Fight???...

Floyd EARNED his Position...& it DIDN'T Come Easily...When U're ON TOP,EVERYBODY Wants a Piece of U,but it's On THOSE GUYS to EARN the Right to Fight the TOP Guy...

Clearly,Margarito SQUANDERED his Chance,Last Night...REED Can't See how ANYBODY Could Argue Otherwise...NOBODY's Saying Floyd SHOULDN'T Fight Margarito EVER,but Last Night was the 1st Step N Getting Margarito N 2 a POSITION to Fight Floyd...

& he ALREADY Dropped the Fucking Ball...



REED

 

I guess so. ::

Fraud is the only fighter I know who has fans that will CONGRATULATE HIM for other fighter's work. ::

 

He's RE-Counting his Money from Partaking N THE BIGGEST FIGHT EVER...


REED:laughing: :laughing:

 

Mosley is no doubt past his prime, but I still would like to see Floyd handle speed with a guy who has a chin :: He barely beat Judah, I think Mosley does better. The only problem I see is Floyd stinking out the joint with his pattented Superchicken call. Backabackabackabakka backabaaaa....

 

I hope Fraud's money helps you sleep at night because that "super fight" didn't help boxing. :dunno:

 

Agree in large part.

Margarito drops down the list now.

Cotto, Mosley and Williams certainly pass him (the first two likely already there)...substantially.

I'd still put Margarito above Cintron and Clottey, though, who are both ranked somewhere in the middle of the top ten.

It seems like people are trying to sweep Margarito under the rug, though.

He's still a top 5 welterweight in my opinion, and deserves to remain there, and would be a good fight for one of the other top fighters...certainly moreso than Hatton (if it's at 147).

Unless the welterweight champs are fighting each other, Margarito's name should be mentioned, IMO.

 

Sorry Tyler. According to Fraud groupies:

Fraud doesn't need to be exciting in a "boxing" match. The victory is all that matters. :notallthere:

 

:: :: Yeah, while guys like Baldomir and Sharmba Mitchell get the honor over Margarito in fighting the great Floyd. Please!
You're making excuses for Floyd. It's all very apparent Reed. Everybody knows, yourself included, that you would've been watching Floyd vs Margarito with a keen eye just like everybody else on here so don't try and bullsh*t around it.:nono:
Don't go making up crap like Margarito ain't worthy. It's Floyd who's making a mockery of the sport.

 

That's fine and dandy, but don't throw back that p4p king shit at me in return ::

 

Worthy Opponents for Fraud -

Bumdomir
Sharmba
Ndou
Gatti
etc

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing: :laughing:

 

He'll be broke before he's 40. The signs are there.

 

dsimon writes:

My point is a little different. It actually has very little to do with Floyd and more to do with Margarito. As a matter of fact for the sake of argument lets totally forget about Floyd. Lets say that De La Hoya beat Floyd and he sits at the proverbial top of the middle divisions. Now De La Hoya has fought all the guys he has including beating Mayweather and Margarito calls him out.

Naturally People ask if Margarito can beat Oscar. So here is this guy who is slower than Oscar, has no footwork to speak of and has beat the likes of Clottey and Citron? Now, here are all these guys like Hatton and Cotto who are coming up the ladder and might be a tough fight for Margarito... especially Cotto who is still unproven in many respects but obviously has talent.

Under the circumstances if I am Oscar I might concentrate on Hatton, who is proven... I might fight Cotto, who has beaten Judah and ready to step up... But would it be expected of me to fight Margarito under the circumstances? I hate Judah but Judah has fought at the top of the division at least and Cotto proved he is ready to step up with his victory over Judah.

I have sympathy for Margarita's lack of opportunities, to some extent. But the fact of the matter is that Williams stepped up and Margarito showed that he is limited. If you were De La Hoya (in our hypothetical) would you fight Margarito? :dunno: