The JMM rematch is the absolute worst big fight Pacquiao could take

an old kevin kelly handled Soto so when exactly did Soto turned into an elite fighter to give Pacquiao such a hard fight?

I think Soto is a good solid fighter but nothing special. He should wait in line for his turn.

 

In a span of not even 5 years, Pacquiao has fought more elite fighters than Roy did his entire career.

Manny doesn't deserve easy fights any more than anyone else. By dropping that bit about him taking his fair share of easy fights, and not dropping that same line about any other superstar calibur fighter, it seems a bit off thats all.

Anyway, the point of this thread was that Manny should infuse his star power into a mega-fight with someone on the doorstep of stardom, rather than beat Marquez....again

 

@ the Risk of this Thread DEGENERATING into Yet Another R.J. Resume Topic, REED'll just Say that your 1st Sentence is COMPLETELY FALSE...

Manny Pac is a NOW Fighter, but that DOESN'T Give him an Advantage Over the BODY of Roy's Work:nono: ...Were YOU even Watching Boxing 5 Years Ago???...

All REED Did was DISAGREE w/the Notion that Manny Fought Tough Fight after Tough Fight & "Deserved" an Easy Bout, which Caused YOU to Chime in on the R.J. Tip???...Just WHO's "a Bit Off" Here"???:dunno: ...

If U wanna Argue about Other Superstar Caliber Fighters START some Threads about Them...REED Made a VALID Point on a Manny Pac Topic...

The BOTTOM LINE is, JM Marquez is More ESTABLISHED, More PROVEN than ANY Of the Fighters "on the Doorstep", as You Put it...AND, Marquez EASILY Took More Rounds in his 1st Bout w/Pac...

Like Many, REED Feels like Manny Got SHAFTED on the Scoring of Round 1, but that DOESN'T Diminish the FACT that he Got OUTFOUGHT in the other 11 Rounds...

Pac & Marquez have UNRESOLVED Issues...


REED

 

agREED

"Like I said before" I would favor JMM against any of the 130lb fighters mentioned as opponents for Manny

 

i would like to see marquez vs. chris john rematch here in the states.

john vs. pac would be huge in asia.

 

Only if you scored the fight like Illuminati and that puppet of indecency Guy Jutras could u think there are unresolved issues.

Are there unresolved issues between DeMarcus Corley and Zab Judah since Zab won by a 1-pt split decision? Did Ali and Norton have unresolved issues after their third fight?

The answer is no. With I love Marquez goggles on the most u could give him is 8 rounds, and realistically it was more like a 6-6 type of fight. Either way Manny would win on points. So why should they fight again?...because of an unresolved scoring error?

What exactly has Marquez done to warrant another big stage fight? Many thought the Barrera fight was very close (including myself) and rather than re-hash a fight that Marquez refused years ago, move on, and let the young talent reign.

 

it took jmm one round to figure out manny and then it was all downhill from there..now the second fight would resemble rounds 2-12..easy win for jmm

 

I agree! so far only JMM has made manny look one dimensional. Sure Manny has improved but not to the degree that some people like to think. :nono:

 

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I don't even know that JMM is going to get past Juarez.....

OH and BTW, Manny clearly beat JMM despite what the 3 blind mice at ringside thought.

 

Agreed.

 

If Manny won the first fight "REALLY CLEARLY" on your card....then no, you DON'T know. :nono: :: :doh:

BTW...ever thought that Manny trying to "box" with JMM may actually be a bad move?

Peace.

 

Pacquiao's improved whether its by a little or by alot but Marquez has obviously slipped since his first fight with Pacquiao,his reflexes are not there anymore,he's been getting hit clean alot lately because of it(Barrera at times landed at will on Marquez) and that will be his demise if he steps foot in the ring with Pacquiao.

 

The "onliest" problem I see with Soto in this scenario is the chin issue. If Bobby Pacquiao can badly hurt him, I'm guessing Manny could turn his lights out.

Soto could win the first six or seven rounds using his reach and boxing skills then get drilled to the canvas.

 

Marquez, Morales AND Barrera peaked in the late 90's? I disagree. ALL their biggest wins came this decade, not last.

 

Juarez is no threat to JMM.

 

Yeah, but those elite fighters Pacquiao fought were old farts.

 

That's fair.

 

Really clearly doesn't mean it wasn't close. It just means that in my eyes you can't make a very legitimate case for Marquez actually winning the fight.

This whole thread is just my opinion.

 

Man you keep beating this old horse. Everytime somebody brings up Soto you mention the Kelly loss. Did you actually see that fight? Look fighters lose, fighters improve. Weren't you the one trying to chastise me for saying how Lacy and Taylor lost only once?

You're starting to sound like those morons who constantly brought up Witter's lose to Judah before he KO'd Harris, even though it was years ago and Witter had been fighting much more aggressively since then.

I bet you didn't see the Soto-Juarez fight did you?

 

This is the most ludicrous fight in recent memory in terms of people actually thinking a guy won, who just couldn't have won.

If you give Marquez rounds 3-12, you don't know how to score a fight. There were several close rounds, and this notion that Manny was dominated is absurd. It was a very contested fight both ways after the first 2 rounds, and in the end Manny won, end of story:dunno:

 

I'm with you guys on this one. JMM should have won that fight and what people always fail to realize is, Manny had to have a 4 point 1st rd just to barely win that fight. JMM was schooling Pac, that's what I saw. Even Pac had to come up with the "blisters" excuse afterwards. Would he have had to do that if he actually won as clearly as the Pacmaniac's claim?

 

Manny was dominated in the ring, not on the cards.

 

It's just an example of how limited he is. I am trying to understand how Soto is all of a sudden an elite fighter who can hang with the big boys when he couldnt' beat an old Kelly.

I know fighters lose all the time. But when you have five loses without steping up your competition you pretty much are what you are.

What I don't understand is why people like you look past the losses like the don't mean anything and treat Soto like some up and coming prospect with no flaws.:dunno:

I always said Soto is a good fighter but the moment Arum started promoting him like he did Margarito he became the dark horse of the 130 division from nowhere.:dunno:

 

The reason I look past the loses is because:
A.) Like you, I didn't see the Kelly fight, so who knows how bad it really was.
B.) It was in fucking 02 and Soto hasn't loss since then.
C.) The Juarez fight. He looked great in that one and I honestly think the Soto of that night was 50/50 to have beaten JMM, MAB and Pac.
I realize Kelly is a bad name to lose against, even in 02, but Soto's obviously improved seeing as how it was 12 fights ago.

You didn't see the Soto-Juarez fight did you?

 

Honestly I never saw Soto/Kelly but I don't care even if it was a draw. If he lost to Kelly at that point there is no way he should be a favorite against the elite at 130.

I did see Soto/Juarez. The thing is I have never been a fan of Juarez. that dude is the most inconsistent prospect i have ever seen. I never bought into the hype. So when Soto beat him I was only surprised because I knew little of Soto.

Since I haven't seen anything special from Soto. Being the 14th fighter to beat Bobby Pacquiao doesn't impress me either.

To me, Soto is the less proven fighter from all the big names at 130. I don't care what style he brings. I also don't agree with bypassing his losses just cause they happened early in his carreer. Like tha'ts an automatic pass and we can pretend they didn't happen. :nono:

Soto is a good fighter but if he beats Guzman it will be the first time he impresses me. opcorn: