The other side of SICKO....

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  1. Trplsec

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    So Castro gets deathly ill and flies in medical equipment and a surgeon from Spain, but you would rather go to Cuba..

    The leader of the country didn't trust solely his own physicians and equipment, but you would..


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  2. I and I

    I and I "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Any proof that Castro was operated on by a spanish surgeon????


    I like how people from all over the world go to cuba to get important medical treatments and surgerys but Trplsec thinks that these people die of gangreen or something. :lol:

    What kind of surgery does trplsec think is impossible for cuban doctors to do??? List some surgeries please.
     
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    How many people come from all over the world to get treatment in America?
     
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    Where do they come from??? is the important question.
     
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    all over the world.
     
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    Sicko,’ Castro and the ‘120 Years Club’ </NYT_HEADLINE>
    [​IMG] By ANTHONY DePALMA

    </NYT_BYLINE>Published: May 27, 2007
    <NYT_TEXT>CUBA works hard to jam American TV signals and keep out decadent Hollywood films. But it’s a good bet that Fidel Castro’s government will turn a blind eye to bootleg copies of “Sicko,” Michael Moore’s newest movie, if they show up on the streets of Havana.
    Skip to next paragraph “Sicko,” the talk of the Cannes Film Festival last week, savages the American health care system — and along the way extols Cuba’s system as the neatest thing since the white linen guayabera.




    Mr. Moore transports a handful of sick Americans to Cuba for treatment in the course of the film, which is scheduled to open in the United States next month, and he is apparently dumbfounded that they could get there what they couldn’t get here.
    “There’s a reason Cubans live on average longer than we do,” he told Time magazine. “I’m not trumpeting Castro or his regime. I just want to say to fellow Americans, ‘C’mon, we’re the United States. If they can do this, we can do it.’ ”
    But hold on. Do they do it? Live longer than, or even as long as, we do? How could a poor developing country — where annual health care spending averages just $230 a person compared with $6,096 in the United States — come anywhere near matching the richest country in the world?
    Statistics from the World Health Organization, the C.I.A. and other sources all show that the people of Cuba and the United States have about the same life expectancy — 77 years, give or take a few months — while infant mortality in Cuba is significantly lower than in the United States.
    Of course, many people regard any figures about Cuba as at least partly fiction. But even if the longevity statistics are correct, they are open to interpretation. Carmelo Mesa-Lago, a professor emeritus of economics at the University of Pittsburgh, said statistics also show that Cuba has a high rate of abortion, which can lower infant mortality rates and improve life expectancy figures. The constant flow of refugees also may affect longevity figures, since those births are recorded but the deaths are not.
    Despite such skepticism, many medical experts say they do believe that average Cubans can live as long as Americans, and the reason may lie in a combination of what Cuba does well and the United States does poorly, if at all.
    Dr. Robert N. Butler, president of the International Longevity Center in New York and a Pulitzer Prize-winning author on aging, has traveled to Cuba to see firsthand how doctors are trained. He said a principal reason that some health standards in Cuba approach the high American level is that the Cuban system emphasizes early intervention. Clinic visits are free, and the focus is on preventing disease rather than treating it.
    Dr. Butler said some of Cuba’s shortcomings may actually improve its health profile. “Because they don’t have up-to-date cars, they tend to have to exercise more by walking,” he said. “And they may not have a surfeit of food, which keeps them from problems like obesity, but they’re not starving, either.”
    Cuban markets are not always well stocked, but city streets are dotted with hot dog and ice cream vendors. Bellies are full, but such food can cause problems in the future, as it has in the United States.
    Dr. Butler has just completed a study that shows it is possible that because of the epidemic of obesity in children, “this may be the first generation of Americans to live less long than their parents.”
    There could be one great leveler for Cubans and Americans. While all Cubans have at least minimal free access to doctors, more than 45 million Americans lack basic health insurance. Many are reluctant to seek early treatment they cannot afford, Dr. Butler said. Instead, they wait to be admitted to an emergency room.
    “I know Americans tend to be skeptical,” he said, “but health and education are two achievements of the Cuban revolution, and they deserve some credit despite the government’s poor record on human rights.”
    Universal health care has long given the Cuban regime bragging rights, though there is growing concern about the future. In the decades that Cuba drew financial and military support from the Soviet Union, Mr. Castro poured resources into medical education, creating the largest medical school in Latin America and turning out thousands of doctors to practice around the world.
    But that changed after the collapse of the Soviets, according to Cuban defectors like Dr. Leonel Cordova. By the time Dr. Cordova started practicing in 1992, equipment and drugs were already becoming scarce. He said he was assigned to a four-block neighborhood in Havana Province where he was supposed to care for about 600 people.
    “But even if I diagnosed something simple like bronchitis,” he said, “I couldn’t write a prescription for antibiotics, because there were none.”
    He defected in 2000 while on a medical mission in Zimbabwe and made his way to the United States. He is now an urgent-care physician at Baptist Hospital in Miami.
    Having practiced medicine in both Cuba and the United States, Dr. Cordova has an unusual perspective for comparison.
    “Actually there are three systems,” Dr. Cordova said, because Cuba has two: one is for party officials and foreigners like those Mr. Moore brought to Havana. “It is as good as this one here, with all the resources, the best doctors, the best medicines, and nobody pays a cent,” he said.
    But for the 11 million ordinary Cubans, hospitals are often ill equipped and patients “have to bring their own food, soap, sheets — they have to bring everything.” And up to 20,000 Cuban doctors may be working in Venezuela, creating a shortage in Cuba.
    Still Cuban officials assert that free health care, a variety of sports programs, a healthy, if limited, diet and cultural activities have kept enough Cubans healthy enough well into old age to warrant starting the 120 Years Club, which enrolls people who are 80 and older and strives to help them reach an even riper old age.
    Until he had to have emergency surgery last year, Fidel Castro — who turned 80 this year — was considered a model of vibrant long life in Cuba. But it was only last week that he acknowledged in an open letter that his initial surgery by Cuban doctors had been botched. He did not confirm, however, that a specialist had been flown in from Spain last December to help set things right.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/27/weekinreview/27depalma.html?ex=1183694400&en=4caa9a5e9e510993&ei=5070
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  11. I and I

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    So all the heath organization studies about Cubas doctors are wrong, and the U.S. vision of Cuba is the correct one. :lol:

    I am still waiting on someone to tell me exactly what major surgery the cuban doctors wouldn't be able to do. Since according to you guys they can't do some surgeries.

    Man up and name a major surgery you think cuban doctors can't do in cuba.
     
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    Whatever surgery Castro needed, the cubans fucked it up and couldnt do it. SO go ask Castro.
     
  13. Trplsec

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    Exactly.. Why would Castro, in a country I and I believes is the most medically sophisticated in the world, call in a surgeon from another country.

    And even more importantly, why would that surgeon bring medical equipment not available in Cuba.. How is that possible?

    Face it, this is just another thread wherein the little guy got his ass handed to him.. Standard.
     
  14. Tyler Durden

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    Man up and show a surgery US can't do, then show a video of a guy sewed up with YARN :lol:
     
  15. I and I

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    I saw it in a video it has to be true. :lol:


    I never said the U.S CAN'T do any surgery, you guys think it's odd that someone would have a surgery in Cuba, so I asked what surgery you think the cubans wouldn't be able to do properly. Still no answer.
     
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    It has to be false because Moorer didn't film it :lol:

    Left-winger says there was no answer, gotta love it.
     
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    All those health organizations praise for their health care system and europeans going to cuba for surgeries, Cuba being the largest distributor of doctors to other 3rd world countries, cuba having the best medical schools in latin america, training doctors from all around the world. That can only mean one thing, their health care system is terrible. :lol:
     
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    When presented with a video as evidence, left-wingers say it was from a US hospital because we all know how bad hospitals are in the US, gotta love it.
     
  19. Trplsec

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    That's like being the hottest prostitute in Butte, Montana...

    All I know is that I've had more conversations with average Cubans than Michael Moore could ever dream of, and none would prefer medical care in Cuba over the US..

    But what do people who actually lived in Cuba know?
     
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    They prefer yarn :lol:
     
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    Dwight Schrute: Fact, Cubans prefer yarn 2 to 1.
     
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    The rightwing boys believe that all the reports of Cubas great health care system are by actors, and made up accounts, and evildoer propaganda.

    :lol:
     
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    I like how Left-wingers think the clip from the Cuban hospital is from actors and a stage, gotta love it.
     
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    Nope, the rightwing boys are smart enough to realize that the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

    But speaking for myself, there is no way in the world that I would bypass medical care in this country to be treated in Cuba.. And the real truth be known, neither would you..
     
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    It's free, and there isn't any surgery they can't do, why not.



    Is there anything in SICKO that you disagree with?
     
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    Really??? What if you needed the same medical equipment that Castro needed, which wasn't available in Cuba?

    Do you think Fidel would fly it in for YOU like he did for himself???

    What a joke you are....
     
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    So why do you live in the US? I know you can't afford medical expenses, and I know you don't have insurance, so why would you live here again? :popcorn:
     
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    I and I "Twinkle Toes" McJack

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    Any evidence that they didn't have the equipment for castro's surgery???
     
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    Because if he lived in Cuba he would be exactly the type of deadbeat that Castro would let jump on a floating mattress heading towards Miami...

    That's what kills me about I and I.... He'll believe every bad thing he hears about the US, but the thousands upon thousand of Cuban now living in South Florida that tell tales of horror at the hands of Castro MUST be lying..

    He just doesn't see the hypocrisy..
     
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    You mean the terrorist organizations too? :lol:

    Anything in SICKO you disagree with?
     

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