Tito Trinidad still looking good!

I wouldn't call Trinidad a sure-thing against Basilio. Would be interesting. Robinson was a bigger man, with a bigger punch, for what it's worth.

I would probably make room for Trinidad in my top 20-25 Welters of all-time.

 

i consider that ridiculous. trinidad is possibly the 25th greatest welterweight? :: where does delahoya rank among your greatest 47s?

 

I dont agree with all of those selections.

take your time and tell us the other 9 guys

you do realize trinidad was not a prime welterweight when he fought delahoya?

 

bullshit

you have an excuse for every fight, this one largely because oyu hate DLH

tell me why you dont agree with those selections

 

the excuse is valid and most knew trinidad should have moved up in weight long ago. he looked frail against whitaker and had actually moved up a few years earlier. both he and quartey stuck around welter when they shouldnt have, for the payday vs Delahoya.

 

You could argue, too, De La Hoya wasn't in his best division --- & in point of fact, I would. He never looked hotter than at 140lbs, for my money, but it's being pretty pedantic to use that to make excuses for him at 147lbs --- & likewise for Trinidad.

I don't dispute Trinidad benefitted from moving up in weight afterward, but this idea of him becoming drained & overly-tight at 147lbs. has gained fanciful momentum in recent years. He was a devastating force at just about the top of his game --- De La Hoya just showed that game to have its limitations.

 

You have to rank him somewhere, though, right? Twenty-five is recognised as a significant number, although not typically in this context, I agree. You'd rate him higher...lower?

 

First it's Occam's razor. Second, the simplest explanation is that he had very good power coupled with very good accuracy. Using Occam's razor, you're supposed to discard unproven conspiracy theories. :doh:

 

I love TITO ....but would find it hard to put him in my top 10 welters ever

I figure he's around 17-20 on my list.

 

Ocum is spelled many ways because it's ancient and not English.

 

In all fairness, Basilio beat a VERY PAST PRIMED Robinson and it was at 160 after the comeback....

I'm not saying that means that Trinidad beats him. But Basilio's style does suit him. He comes forward, is open for short shots inside, and cuts up easily.

If he beats Trinidad, he would have to walk through some serious fire.

I think it would be a 50-50 fight.

 

It's all true, Rock --- it's stylistically Trinidad's dream fight, & it all points his way on paper.

Basically, I think what CDogg & I are pushing is that if there is one guy who could fight this way Trinidad wouldn't want to meet, it was Basilio. Though Robinson was past his better days, he was still better --- & bigger --- than Trinidad. True enough, he didn't force the punches onto Basilio the way Trinidad would, but Trinidad couldn't hit like Robinson, to be fair --- & by Robinson's own admission, there were times where he really went all-out on Basilio, in an effort to relieve himself of what he called, "a hellish on-slaught, with no end in sight."

I could pick either man. Trinidad wasn't the type to break easily if he couldn't hurt you. His heart was in a fight all the way, & no one could test that more sternly than Basilio.

 

he walked through heavier fire from Robinson... the one thing Robinson unequivocally could still do at that stage was stand and punch, and thats exactly what he did against Basilio and Carmen took ALL OF IT without steping backwards... and Basilio was stopped on cuts HOW MANY times exactly??

Robinson's legs were old then, he couldn't move around like he did as a young man, but he still hit like freight train and he could not get Basilio off of him, and theres no way Trinidad would do it if Robinson couldnt

 

He was declared P4P #1 after he demolished Joppy and easily won a middleweight belt, his third division title. Ring magazine and other publications named him #1, but of course it was a short lived term when months later Hopkins defeated him AND then Hopkins was called the #1 P4P. Remember: after the Joppy fight EVERYBODY was calling out Tito, from a still lightweight Mosley to a lightwheavyweight Roy Jones Jr.

 

Mosley had left Lightweight well before Trinidad climbed into the ring with Joppy.

 

My bad, I meant Welterweight.