Top Rank to promote Joan Guzman, Edwin Valero

Discussion in 'General Boxing Discussion' started by Mitchell Kane, Dec 29, 2008.

  1. valdosta

    valdosta Undisputed Champion

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2002
    Messages:
    4,551
    Likes Received:
    20
    Home Page:
    It's better to be a clown than a fucking idiot like you. I have said Soto is a good fighter and not easy for anyone. Big deal. Guzman beat him, about 8-4. Realistically it's not like any common person gives a damn about Guzman. He hasn't made a name for himself. David Diaz wasn't bigger and better things but Pacquiao was always going to fight him. The fight was pushed back so he could beat JMM first then he moved up and beat Diaz. Then he whooped the shit out of Oscar. The fact is Pacquiao has faced excellent competition and Guzman hasn't. Outside of a few people Guzman is pretty much a nobody.
     
  2. Neil

    Neil tueur de grenouilles

    Joined:
    Jan 3, 2006
    Messages:
    37,461
    Likes Received:
    4,013
    Occupation:
    The Cal Ripken of Alcoholism
    hatton will defeat pacquaio. pacquaio doesn't want a dog fight. he's definitely improved but his ring generalship was an illusion in his last bout.
     
  3. royyjonesjrp4pno1

    royyjonesjrp4pno1 "Twinkle Toes" McJack

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2006
    Messages:
    9,150
    Likes Received:
    12
    Pacs cajones are way bigger then Hattons. Hes proven himself in many tough fights. Hatton is scared as hell to get hit thats why he does all the holding he does. Pacs gonna whup that ass because he is a better fighter in every aspect of boxing.
     
  4. joony

    joony "Twinkle Toes" McJack

    Joined:
    Mar 18, 2003
    Messages:
    7,788
    Likes Received:
    0
    Home Page:
    hatton's quicker than oscar and has been the better fighter for the past few years. not sure if he'll beat pacquiao, but i wouldnt to shocked if he threw him around the ring and stopped him w/ a body shot.

    unlike oscar, he at least knows how to cut off the ring and close the gap. but then again, i can certainly see pacquiao busting him up and stopping him late.

    at leat this fight looks like it's evenly matched on paper. i'm looking forward to it.

    as far as guzman goes, he's fresher and quicker than marquez and is probably more elusive, but is not as accurate or active. he probably makes pacquiao look bad, but at this stage in their career, pac probably beats him on points.
     
  5. royyjonesjrp4pno1

    royyjonesjrp4pno1 "Twinkle Toes" McJack

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2006
    Messages:
    9,150
    Likes Received:
    12
    I can't agree with this man.

    Oscar nearly beat Floyd, Hatton got humiliated by him. Oscar looked better against Forbes then Hatton did against Lazcano and Oscar was very impressive against mayorga when Hatton was getting his gift wrapped win over Collazo.

    Oscar got his ass handed to him by Pac but Hatton would have too if he was fighting Pac 12/6/08. Oscar would have easily beaten the Mallignaggi Hatton beat.
     
  6. Double L

    Double L Book Reader

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2003
    Messages:
    28,626
    Likes Received:
    1,820


    :bears:
     
  7. Mitchell Kane

    Mitchell Kane WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2006
    Messages:
    11,894
    Likes Received:
    0
    If Haton was scared to get hit, he'd have mailed in the remaining rounds against Mayweather after that pounding he took in the eighth.

    But he was still the one coming forward in the tenth...and the punch that put him down in the tenth, and basically knocked him out, was thrown as he was leaping in to throw a left.

    It's hardly supportive of your medical opinion.
     
  8. royyjonesjrp4pno1

    royyjonesjrp4pno1 "Twinkle Toes" McJack

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2006
    Messages:
    9,150
    Likes Received:
    12
    He comes forward to hold his opponent. If he maintained space he would get hit.
     
  9. Mitchell Kane

    Mitchell Kane WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2006
    Messages:
    11,894
    Likes Received:
    0
    That doesn't exactly prove that he's scared to get hit.

    It may suggest why he does it, strategically.
     
  10. royyjonesjrp4pno1

    royyjonesjrp4pno1 "Twinkle Toes" McJack

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2006
    Messages:
    9,150
    Likes Received:
    12
    Of course its strategy. The i don't want to get hit strategy.
     
  11. Ugotabe Kidding

    Ugotabe Kidding WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Dec 8, 2002
    Messages:
    17,162
    Likes Received:
    1,714
    Home Page:
    So he is continuously aggressive to not get hit. Sure
     
  12. royyjonesjrp4pno1

    royyjonesjrp4pno1 "Twinkle Toes" McJack

    Joined:
    Jan 2, 2006
    Messages:
    9,150
    Likes Received:
    12
    Ruiz came forward and was an aggressive fighter by that stupid logic. He moves forward to hold his opponent. Whats so hard to understand about that fanboy.
     
  13. Tam Tam

    Tam Tam "Twinkle Toes" McJack

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2006
    Messages:
    8,576
    Likes Received:
    1
    Location:
    Six Feet Below Where You Walk
    Home Page:
    hmmmm
     
  14. Mitchell Kane

    Mitchell Kane WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2006
    Messages:
    11,894
    Likes Received:
    0
    From Dan Rafael:

     
  15. StingerKarl

    StingerKarl Ace Degenerate

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2005
    Messages:
    6,543
    Likes Received:
    121
    Gender:
    Male
    If Pacquiao gets by Hatton and matches with this guy, Valero may be badly, perhaps permanently, injured.

    I didn't think this guy was allowed to fight in the United States, and as open as he is, whatever Commission sanctions this may be signing Valero's death warrant, and his blood is going to be on their hands, and Bob Arum's as well.
     
  16. valdosta

    valdosta Undisputed Champion

    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2002
    Messages:
    4,551
    Likes Received:
    20
    Home Page:
    Pretty sure he can fight in Texas. I wouldn't worry for valero to much. he hasn't beaten the best comp. but he's not a bad fighter.
     
  17. Mitchell Kane

    Mitchell Kane WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Apr 4, 2006
    Messages:
    11,894
    Likes Received:
    0
    Dan Rafael:

     
  18. StingerKarl

    StingerKarl Ace Degenerate

    Joined:
    Oct 22, 2005
    Messages:
    6,543
    Likes Received:
    121
    Gender:
    Male
    Juan is probably not going to go that route, why would Valero be huge in Houston?

    Nobody in Houston even knows who this joker is.

    Diaz and GBP are going for the cash, will probably take on Erik Morales next in the Summer if he beats JMM.

    I asked Bob Arum two years ago if he wanted to make Manny Pacquiao and Juan, and he repiled much in the same manner to me in San Antonio.
     
  19. Haymaker

    Haymaker WBC Silver Diamond Emeritus Champ

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2003
    Messages:
    12,166
    Likes Received:
    0
    Stop exagerating Karl, Valero is a solid pro by now, not a protected eurobum. Whoever fights him will have a live threat in front of him.
     

Share This Page