Trinidad is stupid

A "B" fighter is someone who is a good fighter, but loses to the very best - IE Vargas.

A B fighter loses to Taylor. Someone like Lacy is a B fighter.

I don't know if you've cottoned onto this fact yet, but Pavlik knocked Taylor the fuck out.

 

Yes he did. However that is 1 fight.
Not to mention because of "some" of his B-class skills , he was almost knocked out himself.
Lets get something straight here , its not an impossible feat for a B-class fighter to catch an elite at the right place & time and score a victory.
Also really there is also a question of what Taylor really was.
Lets face it , Taylor has looked like shit and B-class himself proceeding the Hopkins fights.

 

Yes that is possible, but I think you're severely overlooking the rest of Pavlik's resume.

Even Freitas is more than a B class fighter, yet IMO Pavlik is better than Fruity, and shall continue to prove so.

Zuniga, Zertuche and Miranda are B class fighters. All good fighters, but not elite. Pavlik beat all of them, and ALL by KO.

He is 32-0 with 29 knockouts. I seriously don't know how you can say he is a B fighter.

A b fighter is ndou, or corley, someone like that. I would say perhaps Vargas was a B+ fighter given the wins over Winky and Quartey.

Pavlik is an A fighter and shall prove so.:blobbox:

IMO Trinidad looked at least as sloppy as Pavlik, and probably had worse defense and was more 1 dimensional - was he a B class fighter?

 

:: The lack of response to this post proves it to be true.

I'm sure he doesn't even know what I mean.

 

Firstly I remember arguing months ago that if Tito came out of retirement tomorrow, that I'd pick him to beat Taylor and his recent loss shows I had a very good chance of being right. So Yahhh! to me. :clap:


2ndly, I'm in partial agreement with CYC. I think Pav is a bit overrated but I wouldn't call him a B-class fighter. He has B-level skills, but just off of his last 2 wins and who they were against he has already put himself in the elite level, especially in his own division. The reason I think he's overrated is because of how well JT was able to counter him and Pavlik's inability to adjust to it. Had JT had a better beard or some sembalence of defense he might have been able to more effectively put it all together and defeat Pavlik.

 

After a sensational, conclusive win (KO ending), usually there is alot of talk regarding the victor and that inevitably leads to a spurt of Mythical Match-ups, knee-jerk reactions about how proficient/good a fighter is, and minute, detailed analysis of what he did and didn't do, which always leads to the whole being perceived as greater than the sum of its parts.

Eventually the pendulum will settle down and come back to the middle. ::

The fact is Pavlik is a top (really, THE top) middleweight right now, has a partially unified crown, and has decisively beaten a top contender (who in rounds beat Abraham and broke his jaw) and the consensus MAN in the division in his last two fights - both by KO. The Zuniga and Zertuche wins are also very legit.

A fighter can be an A-level fighter - and not have the most technically sound and proficient skills in the world. Those two do NOT have to go hand-in-hand.

Power, strength, chin, stamina, workrate, quickness, physical advantages go a long way towards compensating for technical deficiencies.

Peace.

 

To get back to the original statement...

Trinidad should have waited for the winner of Vargas vs Mayorga to return. I'm fairly certain Vargas wins that fight.

Trinidad-Vargas II wouldn't have been as big as Jones-Trinidad, but it's a fight Tito's a slam dunk to win vs fighting Jones where he'll end up getting KTFO.

 

I've always thought Trinidad beats Taylor in a PxP sense - or at 160 with an ACTIVE Trinidad back in 2000/01.

But the retired Trinidad? I don't know. Despite all of Taylor's flaws, it's hard to get Trinidad-Wright out of my mind (though I know the styles are very different and Taylor has more holes).

If it's a Trinidad with fire and hunger...yes.

But he was missing that in spades vs. Wright.

Peace.

 

Interesting...

I would have picked Taylor to beat the 2001 version of Trinidad.

 

Well, by 2001 Trinidad was doing alot of things wrong and/or getting away from what made him more effective...

But Taylor NEVER would have been able to do what Hopkins did; and even a more free-swinging, one-bomb-at-time, reduced-jab, Trinidad would have been able to find Taylor repeatedly - enough so that that success would have kept him in the game and aggressive...and I think he eventually gets to Taylor and puts him down.

Peace.

 

All ofthat is true, "however"...

As we saw last Saturday, Taylor's got balls and can take a shot (which we didn't know prior to Saturday). I don't think Trinidad hits him any harder than Pavlik did. Trinidad was VERY hittable with right hands and Jermain's "bow and arrow" would have hit the mark very often.

Pavlik's size and reach bothered Jermain the same way Jermain's size and reach would have bothered Trinidad.

 

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Exactly :bears: