TV for Klitscko V. Chagaev

So your happy with a fighter giving a half ass performance?

I can agree with a fighter who is very limited in his attributes. But a guy like Wlad who always has all the advantages should be doing more especially since he is supposed to be the best right now.

This reminded me of the Ibragimov fight. Wlad had the size, reach, power, and skill advantages. Yet he was happy with jabbing all night. Hell they even said Chagaev recently had Hepatitis B ::

Same reason I didn't like Lenox Lewis. Too many advantages to fight scared.

 

How about a style that is fundamentally illegal in accordance with the rules of boxing?..

 

Like I posted earlier its the opponents job to make the safety first fighter change plans or fight the way he wants to fight. If I'm younger Klit and all I need to do is use my size, which includes a shotgun jab, a powerful ass right and and when my oppononet gets close grab his then that's what I'm gonna do. Right now he able to dictate the pace and the distance. That's all he has to do to win fights and its been highly successful. It is up to his opponents to get in their change shit up. Why would anyone go away from their strength? That makes no sense to me. Like I said earlier you the fight the way you fight that makes you win and fuck all the rest of that bullshit. I'll Holla 5000

 

Fighting a certain way is only illegal if the rules are enforced. If the rules aren't enforced then its not illegal. I'll Holla 5000

 

How can you fault Wlad for winning every second of the fight? How is it his fault he's so much better than everyone else guys can barely get punches off. Come on now, look at Wlads last few fights. He must be doing something right if all these so called top contenders can't do shit to him. Chagaev is a guy who beat Ruiz and Valuev, he's not a bum by any means, he's the third best guy at HW and Wlad handled him with ease. Wlad obviously doesn't have a great chin, he's also had stamina issues, his style suits his weaknesses, he's not going to go for broke and blow it like the Brewster fight. He stays calm and picks guys apart. It's not the most exciting style in the world, but it's certainly very effective and he's usually stopping guys. He's got what? 48 KO's in 52 wins or something? Do you guys wish he'd just wade in with his chin in the air and throw punches until he gasses out? ::

 

Exactly. Guys use their strengths to win. Why in the world would a fighter go for broke while taking a chance on getting gassed or hit with something in return that he might not see. Like I said its the opponents job to make younger klit or any other fighter fight their fight and make them have to make adjustments. If they aren't able to do that or can't then don't blame klit or any other fighter whose style helps them win. I'll Holla 5000

 

agREED...

It's Always FUNNY to REED when People Blame the Guy that's WINNING the Fight, as Opposed to Blaming the Guy that's CONTENT w/Taking an Ass Whipping w/Out even TRYING to Do Something Different...The Guy that Go's into the Shell & ACCEPTS the Ass Whipping is @ Fault, NOT the Guy who can Win w/ Jabs & Right Hands Over & Over & Over Again....



REED:hammert:

 

I thought Chagaev did try to win, at least most of the time. He threw punches to the Wlad's body that landed cleanly--no effect. He never ran. His defense blocked most of Wlad's shots. He just couldn't hit Wlad in the melon and when he got inside, the ref broke it up pretty quickly. But he had no success when he got inside, anyway.

Wlad fought a tremendous fight. He is a p4p guy. He's already shown that he can lose. Now it's time for someone to show that he can be beaten--like Corrie did. Don't expect Wlad to play along.

 

I wish he'd continue to be relegated to espn classic, rather than taking hbo dates away from fighters and fights worth watching

 

Agreed, I've been making this argument for years.

 

I would blame the oponent if he just showed up to survive and didn't try like Ibragimov.

But Chagaev was trying he was just limited. I understand Wlad doing what he needs to do to win. That's fine! But you expect people to like it and that shit won't fly.

The fight was in Wlad's control all night. He could have ended it earlier if he wanted to.

hey either people like it or they don't. I just can't get excited with a guy twice as big as his oponent fighting scared like he is the smaller guy.

If all fighters with Wlad's skills fought the way he did boxing would be dead.

 

Hopkins, our beloved masterful ring legend and philosopher once said about illegal handwrapping,.. ... "It is only cheating, if you get caught" ... by your quoted sentence,.. you agree with his wisdom?..

 

Not an exciting fight...........hope I'm allowed to say that.


Also seemed like a premature stoppage. That last round Ruslan took a beating because it looked like he was trying to lure Wlad into the corner and get him to drop his guard a bit........because nothing else was working.

Wlad still never dropped his guard.

Ruslan didn't exactly complain but if they stopped it because of that cut, that was pretty gay.

 

Wlad is the most underrated fighter in the world today. He's a brilliant heavyweight.

 

I agree completely. The pattern that I notice with Wlads fights is that his opponents seem to get completely shut out of their gameplan offensively.

 

Because he is so skilled and powerful is because I expect him to do more.

I expect Calderon to slap his way to a W because that is all he can do.

I really don't care to see Wlad jab his way like he has a monster in front of him and is scared to throw a power shot.

I don't think anybody question's Wlad's skills or that he is the best heavyweight right now.

but if he continues to win with just enough he shouldn't be surprised how he turns fans off.

 

i still regard Vitali as the best heavyweight....but can see why, based on recent (as in the last 4 years) activity, Wlad is considered the #1 by many.

 

Like someone Else Pointed Out, Wlad has 47 KO's in 53 Wins, Dude...In 53 Wins, Only 6 guys have Lasted the Distance w/Him...What MORE do U EXPECT???...



REED::

 

DUPE...

 

Here's the deal. If you wonna take the champions belt especially against the younger Klit you gotta go for broke and push the pace. You gotta jump on his ass from jump. You gotta close the gap, let your hands go and make him uncomfortable in the ring. Make him have to make adjustments. That hasn't happened. Cats sit back eating those shotgun jabs and right hands. They talk shit about what they are gonna do before the fight but then when the actual fight starts muthafukas freeze up. Then younger Klit goes on and fights his fight. Is that Young Klits fault or his opponents. You do what you gotta do to win and if a muthafuka can't solve your puzzle then you keep doing that shit fight after fight. What Young Klit possess is ring generalship. I'll Holla 5000

 

Z, I thought you were one of the dudes who had a major problem with the action in Mayweather/Baldomir?

 

Hey I never said he is the most boring heavyweight I've ever seen.

But from last year till last Saturday I haven't been impressed.

If you were jumping of your seat last Saturday because of how exciting you were than God bless you. I wasn't.

You make it seem as if there is something wrong with expecting excitement.

The fight was boring and he was boring becaue he did just enough to win the fight. No more no less! For a dominant heavyweight I though he could have done more.

If I didn't think highly of the guy I wouldn't expect more from him.

 

I agree with you that the oponent has to do more. That is why I wanted to see him against Haye. But that's not the point.

Going into the fight we all knew Wlad was the bigger, stronger guy. MOre skilled and bigger reach.

As the fight went on Wlad was in complete control. So why not end it with a ko instead of just jabbing. If he can't take chances with an overmatched oponent like Chagaev than when can he?

It's about taste. I just can't stand a big powerful, skilled heavyweight just jabbing the smaller oponent. Maybe you get a kick out of it but I don't.

you talk about why should he change his style? He doesn't have to drop his hands on his waist to open up.

Inmagine if the corner never stoped the fight. Wlad probably would have won a borin UD via jabbing. :bangh:

 

i DID NOT find the fight that boring. He still punished and kayoed a dude. I'd rather watch Wlad than Slaveweather and I don't care what a little groupie with "race dysmorphia" says.

 

That was a much more boring fight and Baldomir was game, unlike Chagaev. Had Chagaev been any more aggressive he would have got stopped way earlier. Floyd straight up ran to a points win.

 

So doing "just enough" is winning every second of the fight and stopping the guy?

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So U're Expecting Wlad to Become Arturo Gatti???...U Want Every Wlad Fight to B Castillo-Corrales I???...Every Fighter WASN'T Put Here to B "Exciting", Dog...N the Case of Wlad, Seeing Such a LARGE Man Fight Soooo ATHLETICALLY, Soooo FLUIDLY is a Treat...Vitali's STIFF & ROBOTIC (Yet Undeniably Effective) but Wlad is Smoooooth w/His Shit...

The FACT is, Wlad Go's Out There, DOMINATES the Opposition & KO's them the VAST MAJORITY of the Time...If he was Racking Up Decision After Decision, REED Could See your Point, but Wlad is Still STOPPING Guys...AGAIN, 6 Distance Fights in 53 Wins...

That Speaks for Itself...
REED:hammert:

 

If Wlad was American and swore a lot and had a criminal record and rapes bitches, gets drunk in bars and beats the sh*t out of guys on the streets and talked about how hurting another human being in the ring is like having an orgasm, everyone would be sucking his dick on here. ::

 

And if he was from So Cal, with man boobs, who filled up on burritos and beer he'd have at least one die hard fan...with a (band)wagon that he could fall off.